[Vision2020] Steven J. Sitler
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Sat May 12 12:27:21 PDT 2007
I think that Wayne and Tom intended to make a point; that is, Wilson might not be so certain of Sitler's "repentance" if the evidence thereof were to be demonstrated -- and this would be hideous -- within his own family. I believe the intent was to point out an unfortunate naivete and smugness on the part of Sitler's pastoral counselor, not to wish, or even portray, harm toward any child. Hyperbole can often be used to illustrate a point, but all of us know that the hyperbole sometimes attracts more attention than the initial point for which it's employed.That said, I think we can all agree that our fervent hope is that Sitler never reoffend and that he would be surrounded by mature adults who recognize the degree of his pathology. I refuse to sit in judgment of the sincerity of Sitler's remorse, though. What he did was unequivocally horrible; how he truly feels about it is between him and God and I am woefully unqualified to gauge his shame or its sincerity. And yes, he has my prayers.keelyFrom: thansen at moscow.comTo: vpschwaller at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.comDate: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:31:13 -0700Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Steven J. Sitler
Mr. Schwaller –
For the sake of setting the record (as
well as my intentions) straight and as my final commentary concerning your
response, the purpose behind my support for Wayne’ suggestion was solely to
encourage Doug Wilson to stand behind his words (an act I have yet to
experience from him).
Having said that, I apologize for your failure
in understanding my intention. Perhaps the theme of my previous dozen or
so postings was insufficiently clear to you.
If you find my apology lacking in any attribute,
so be it. We are all big boys and girls.
“Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death
doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3 sex offender.”
- Dale “Comb-Over” Courtney (August 3, 2005)
vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Schwaller
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:07
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Steven
Thank you Ms Lund for also seeing the heinous fallacy of Mr. Fox's post. As I pointed out in a previous post, Mr Hansen also agreed with Mr Fox, and
I think both need to be called on the carpet for their stand - be it sarcastic or not, and both should apologize to the viewers and contributors of this site.
I would note that even Mr Sitler was responsible enough to stand in open court and apologize for his actions. Yes, it may very well have been self serving of him
to do so, but nonetheless he did apologize. As of this post, I don't see where neither Mr Fox nor Mr Hansen has done so.
I would say again, to both of you "Shame on you." And shame on any others who even for a minute thought the suggestion of Mr Sitler boarding with Mr Wilson's grandchildren
"an excellent suggestion."
Ms Lund writes "I don't know that I have expressed this well . . ."
Ms Lund, no one could have expressed it better.
On 5/11/07, Saundra Lund <sslund at roadrunner.com> wrote:
OK, I get the sarcasm in your post.
However, your post ***really*** bothers me, so I'm going to speak up.
I just don't think it EVER appropriate to suggest putting children in harm's
way just to prove a point, sarcasm or not.
The children you reference have done NOTHING to deserve such treatment, and
it is deeply offensive to me that you bring the these precious beings up to
make a point. As probably most here know, I think children deserve to be
completely OFF LIMITS as "targets" here on the Viz, and your post is one of
the most offensive I've read here. The children to whom you refer -- along
with every single child in our community -- are our future, and to suggest
deliberately putting these innocents in harm's way is indefensible, IMHO.
Just for the record, I'll disclose that except for the newest addition, I've
met & spent time with the truly delightful children you've dragged into
this. But, even if I hadn't, I'd be just as . . . disgusted.
Please, please, PLEASE LEAVE individual CHILDREN OUT of this discussion, a
discussion we wouldn't be having were it not for the fact that Steven J.
Sitler, a serial child predator who has already victimized far too many
children in this country, came to our community.
Discuss Sitler; discuss his crimes; discuss the failure (IMHO) of the
judicial system; discuss the failure of our newspapers; discuss why Sitler
came here; discuss the failure of Christ Church to warn our community once
his crimes were known by the church hierarchy; discuss the failure of the
Christ Church community warn the rest of us once they knew; discuss the
problem of child sexual abuse in general or in our community, region, state,
I don't know that I've expressed this well, but your post crosses a line for
me, Wayne . . . a line I hope to never again see crossed here on V2020.
Some, no doubt, will ask the trite question, "By whose standards?!?"
My response to those who will lack the courage to ask the question here is,
"If you have to ask that question about this subject, you are already a lost
soul for whom I'll pray."
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
- Edmund Burke
On 5/12/07, Tom
Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
Steven James Sitler is now listed (and registered) as a sex offender in
state of Idaho.
As such I will not be distributing posters detailing his conviction,
sentence, and subsequent release as a sex offender.
"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a
- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)
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