[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Correct Rent for my House
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Tue May 1 15:10:51 PDT 2007
Isn't this a perfect example of the "free market" I've seen you support
in previous postings, though? Nick charges what he indicates his
renters find to be a reasonable amount. If the price was too high, no
one would pay. Should Nick reasonably take a hit on his profit because
some single income families want to rent an entire house instead of just
half of one?
Paul
Donovan Arnold wrote:
> Nick,
>
> As I understand it, $600 a month for part of the house, $750 for the
> other half of the house is $1350 a month. Is my math off?
>
> Count in w,s,g, utilities, and it is easily over $1500 a month for a
> house rental.
>
> A couple with a child or two going to college cannot afford $1500 a
> month.
>
> When everyone, including you, divides their homes up into apartments
> to raise the rental value of a home to $1500 a month, you make it
> impossible for single families to rent an entire home.
>
> You have to rent to 4 to 8 people because it is not affordable for a
> one income family.
>
> In order for $750 a month to be affordable, that would be $9,000 a
> year. Someone would have to net $30,000 a year in order for that to be
> only 30% of their income.
>
> No statistics in Moscow support the claim that the average college
> student with children does not make $30,000 a year after taxes.
>
> The math is pretty concrete. $750 a month is NOT affordable housing
> for a family in Moscow.
> Want more math. If a college student works 25 hrs a week at $10 an
> hour. That is about $1000 a month net income. They get the maximum of
> $12,000 in loans, grants, and scholarships. That is still only $24,000
> a year, assuming no missed work and they can find a job for twice the
> minimum wage.
>
> Moscow has no affordable housing for college family units. Dividing
> housing to maximize rental income is the main reason why.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> */Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>/* wrote:
>
> Dear Donovan,
>
> You are not remembering my rent figures very well. Families who
> have rented my 3-bedroom upstairs have found the $750 rent very
> reasonable, and students who have 3 bedrooms and 2 baths
> downstairs for $600 believe that they have died and gone to heaven.
>
> By the way, the upstairs will be available for Fall semester and
> the downstairs will be available July 1. Please spread the word
> and give anyone interested my e-mail address.
>
> Nick Gier
>
> At 09:33 AM 5/1/2007, you wrote:
>> Nick,
>>
>> I didn't attack your house. I was disagreeing with you charging
>> $1500 to rent a house in Moscow. In order for that to be
>> considered affordable housing a family would have to make $4,500
>> a month in net income. Those types of jobs are just not available
>> in Moscow. Nor does a person get that much money in students
>> loans, grants and scholarships.
>>
>> What you seem to not comprehend is that when you make rent prices
>> so outrageous you make life very difficult, if not impossible for
>> couples with children that would like to get out of poverty by
>> getting a degree at UI.
>>
>> Sure, $1500 is affordable for 5 or 6 college students. But single
>> families have to pay that same market rate. This was my biggest
>> challenge as a student body senator, was trying to find adequate
>> low income housing for single families. It doesn't exist. The UI
>> family housing is full, and the buildings are falling apart, not
>> entirely safe, and have mold and health issues.
>>
>> That was my point, and why I am angry about the situation. It is
>> completely unfair.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>> */Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>/* wrote:
>>
>> Good Morning Visionaries:
>>
>> I'm just as fed with Donovan's tirades as anyone on this
>> list. (My favorite attack was the one on my house. I can
>> defend myself, but house cannot.) Objecting to his insults
>> and bad manners is one thing, but diagnosing his mental state
>> complete with labels is another thing, even if he has given
>> his own diagnosis.
>>
>> I would very much like this thread to cease immediately.
>>
>> Nick Gier
>>
> "Truth is the summit of being; justice is the application of it to
> human affairs."
> --Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
> "Abstract truth has no value unless it incarnates in human beings
> who represent it, by proving their readiness to die for it."
> --Mohandas Gandhi
>
> "Modern physics has taught us that the nature of any system cannot
> be discovered by dividing it into its component parts and studying
> each part by itself. . . .We must keep our attention fixed on the
> whole and on the interconnection between the parts. The same is
> true of our intellectual life. It is impossible to make a clear
> cut between science, religion, and art. The whole is never equal
> simply to the sum of its various parts." --Max Planck
>
> Nicholas F. Gier
> Professor Emeritus, Department of Philosophy, University of Idaho
> 1037 Colt Rd., Moscow, ID 83843
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> 885-8950
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