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Isn't this a perfect example of the "free market" I've seen you support
in previous postings, though? Nick charges what he indicates his
renters find to be a reasonable amount. If the price was too high, no
one would pay. Should Nick reasonably take a hit on his profit because
some single income families want to rent an entire house instead of
just half of one?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
Donovan Arnold wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid325522.13126.qm@web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com"
type="cite">
<div>Nick,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>As I understand it, $600 a month for part of the house, $750 for
the other half of the house is $1350 a month. Is my math off?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Count in w,s,g, utilities, and it is easily over $1500 a month
for a house rental. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>A couple with a child or two going to college cannot afford
$1500 a month. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>When everyone, including you, divides their homes up into
apartments to raise the rental value of a home to $1500 a month, you
make it impossible for single families to rent an entire home.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>You have to rent to 4 to 8 people because it is not affordable
for a one income family. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>In order for $750 a month to be affordable, that would be $9,000
a year. Someone would have to net $30,000 a year in order for that to
be only 30% of their income. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>No statistics in Moscow support the claim that the average
college student with children does not make $30,000 a year after taxes.
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The math is pretty concrete. $750 a month is NOT affordable
housing for a family in Moscow. </div>
<div>Want more math. If a college student works 25 hrs a week at $10
an hour. That is about $1000 a month net income. They get the maximum
of $12,000 in loans, grants, and scholarships. That is still only
$24,000 a year, assuming no missed work and they can find a job for
twice the minimum wage. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Moscow has no affordable housing for college family units.
Dividing housing to maximize rental income is the main reason why.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Donovan</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div><br>
<b><i>Nick Gier <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ngier@uidaho.edu"><ngier@uidaho.edu></a></i></b> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="replbq"
style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Dear
Donovan,<br>
<br>
You are not remembering my rent figures very well. Families who have
rented my 3-bedroom upstairs have found the $750 rent very reasonable,
and students who have 3 bedrooms and 2 baths downstairs for $600
believe that they have died and gone to heaven.<br>
<br>
By the way, the upstairs will be available for Fall semester and the
downstairs will be available July 1. Please spread the word and give
anyone interested my e-mail address.<br>
<br>
Nick Gier<br>
<br>
At 09:33 AM 5/1/2007, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="cite" cite="" type="cite">Nick,<br>
<br>
I didn't attack your house. I was disagreeing with you charging $1500
to rent a house in Moscow. In order for that to be considered
affordable housing a family would have to make $4,500 a month in net
income. Those types of jobs are just not available in Moscow. Nor does
a person get that much money in students loans, grants and scholarships.<br>
<br>
What you seem to not comprehend is that when you make rent prices so
outrageous you make life very difficult, if not impossible for couples
with children that would like to get out of poverty by getting a degree
at UI. <br>
<br>
Sure, $1500 is affordable for 5 or 6 college students. But single
families have to pay that same market rate. This was my biggest
challenge as a student body senator, was trying to find adequate low
income housing for single families. It doesn't exist. The UI family
housing is full, and the buildings are falling apart, not entirely
safe, and have mold and health issues. <br>
<br>
That was my point, and why I am angry about the situation. It is
completely unfair.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Donovan<br>
<br>
<b><i>Nick Gier <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ngier@uidaho.edu"><ngier@uidaho.edu></a></i></b> wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Good Morning Visionaries:<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>I'm just as fed with Donovan's tirades as anyone on this
list. (My favorite attack was the one on my house. I can defend
myself, but house cannot.) Objecting to his insults and bad manners is
one thing, but diagnosing his mental state complete with labels is
another thing, even if he has given his own diagnosis.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>I would very much like this thread to cease immediately.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Nick Gier<br>
</dd>
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