[Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the BLog)

[J Ford]

Ah yes - but, if that same organization requests and/or demands that they be 
given tax breaks, or they take money from a group, such as Christ Church, 
the members of that church do have a right (and responsibility) to know how 
their money is being spent.  Therefore, a full disclosure is in order.

You are demanding this be done by the public schools - what is so different 
about the "private" schools?  I mean, it is public money in that a 
"community" is paying them and it should be available to that "community" - 
what is not deservable is a placating "there, there...don't worry your head 
about such things" which is EXACTLY what Doug and his bunch do.  So, 
question is - WHAT IS BEING HIDDEN by those that are taking the "public" 
monies of this "community" and WHY is it being hidden?  What are they afraid 
to show - that the "teachers" (who, btw, hold NO degree in teaching and/or 
in the subjects they are teaching) do not deserve the wages?  It is Logos' 
scores that are dropping like a rock these last five years - while the MSD's 
are rising.

Actually, since you seem unwilling (or unable) to understand this concept, I 
think we're done with this.  It would be nice if a CC/Logos/NSA person would 
respond to this challenge, (as at this point you have nothing of real value 
to contribute b/c you're not in this church by your own admittance)  but, 
then I am sure Doug has put the word out that they better not.  After all - 
he's done that before.


J  :]





>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the 
>BLog)
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:27:39 -0700
>
>I'm not certain what question you think that it is I'm avoiding. If it's my 
>total compensation, I'm not avoiding your question at all. I'm simply not 
>answering and ignoring it. There is a difference. I will tell you this, A 
>significant amount of it comes from tax dollars as I work for the city, 
>state, and federal government. I work for your bank and I work for the 
>places that you purchase your food and clothing. I work for the place that 
>sold you your vehicle, that services it, that sells you the gas you burn in 
>it, and the tires you roll on. Pretty much every place you part with ten 
>cents I go and retrieve a portion of said dime. Indirectly YOU and other 
>tax payers (assuming you pay any taxes) are paying my wages and I still 
>feel zero need to advise you as to the particulars of my W-9.
>
>If you were to attempt to engage my services (unlikely, I know) you would 
>be well with in your right to ask how much we would charge you for that 
>service. You could also ask how much of what I would charge  goes to me 
>personally. I would be within my right to tell you or not, at which point 
>you could decide to not hire me based on my answer. The same would apply to 
>people who wish to utilize the services of NSA/Logos. Not every 
>organization that comes in contact with public money is placed in a 
>position where they must be an open book for the public at large nor should 
>it.
>
>g
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the 
>BLog)
>
>
> >
> > Again, you avoid the question by poising a diversion - the challenge 
>stands.
> >
> > The fact is, these people are paid for out of the pockets of those whose
> > children attend those schools and out of the church funds.  That makes 
>the
> > money rather a "public" thing.  So, if someone within those groups asks 
>for
> > an accounting, they should be given it.  Point is, that simply does not
> > happen with this group of "schools".
> >
> >
> > J  :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
> >>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the
> >>BLog)
> >>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:38:11 -0700
> >>
> >>Why, exactly, should a private organization be required (forced) to
> >>disclose
> >>agreements between itself and private individuals? Is the satisfaction 
>of
> >>your curiosity so urgent as to compel the revelation of information to
> >>which
> >>you have no legitimate reason or need to possess? (which was the point 
>of
> >>my
> >>noninvasive and reasonable remarks in the first place)
> >>
> >>g
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:05 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from the
> >>BLog)
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > A.  Nope.
> >> >
> >> > B.  I am not paid by anyone publicly nor am I a member of an
> >>organization
> >> > that really should be required to disclose this kinda info to those
> >>paying
> >> > me.  Other churches do so.  Those that do pay me know what I am paid.
> >> > Guarantee you those at CC, parents of those at Logos and NSA do NOT 
>know
> >> > what their "teachers" are paid much less what benefit packages they 
>get.
> >> > GUARANTEE!
> >> >
> >> > C.  If its so "noninvasive and reasonable" - you first!  And of 
>course
> >>the
> >> > challenge stands - especially since you seem to think it IS 
>"noninvasive
> >> > and
> >> > reasonable."
> >> >
> >> > J  :]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
> >> >>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from 
>the
> >> >>BLog)
> >> >>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:48:21 -0700
> >> >>
> >> >>Perhaps as a demonstration of good faith you'd like to start the ball
> >> >>rolling by providing the same information about yourself? A complete
> >> >>breakdown of the last five years should be adequate to show just how
> >> >>noninvasive and reasonable you feel this sort of request is.
> >> >>
> >> >>g
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >> >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >>Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:09 PM
> >> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from 
>the
> >> >>BLog)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Challenge (again) to Dale and all the other bloat-masters at the 
>CC,
> >> >>Logos
> >> >> > and NSA - GIVE US YOUR WAGE EARNINGS, which should include any and
> >>all
> >> >> > benefit packages.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, please include any and all educational background that 
>enables
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > be teaching in these "institutions".
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And lastly, what is Doug Wilson's wages and benefits?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bet we don't see ANY response to this challenge - its been made
> >>before
> >> >>and
> >> >> > we have yet to see any results.  Note:  ALL said wages and bennies
> >>are
> >> >> > paid
> >> >> > for by the patrons of the Christ Church - and they are NOT given 
>any
> >> >>kind
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > break-down or wage/earnings statements on any of the teachers or
> >>admin
> >> >> > people in those institutions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Put THAT info on your blog, Courtney!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > J  :]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >> >> >>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] School Administration and Oversight (from 
>the
> >> >>BLog)
> >> >> >>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:42:53 -0700
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >From Dale Courtney's BLog at:
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> 
> >>http://right-mind.us/blogs/moscoweducation/archive/2007/03/23/50865.aspx#com
> >> >> >>ments
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>-----------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>School District Administration and Oversight
> >> >> >>The Idaho Office of Performance and Evaluations has posted their 
>most
> >> >> >>recent
> >> >> >>"School District Administration and Oversight" report.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Here are some choice quotes about MSD.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Page 14:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>While Moscow and Preston had comparable enrollment, Moscow had 
>more
> >> >> >>schools
> >> >> >>and a larger number of school administrators and support staff.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Boise, Lake Pend Oreille, and Moscow had more administrative staff
> >>than
> >> >> >>districts with similar enrollment. Each of these districts 
>received a
> >> >> >>larger
> >> >> >>share of their total funding from local sources than did
> >> >>comparable-sized
> >> >> >>districts. In addition, these districts generally had more revenue
> >>per
> >> >> >>pupil
> >> >> >>than the comparison districts. All three districts have received
> >> >> >>funding
> >> >> >>from supplemental levies approved by local taxpayers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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> >> >> >>Comments
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >># re: School District Administration and Oversight
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Friday, March 23, 2007 10:42 PM by Dave
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>This is an interesting report.  It does show clearly MSD staff 
>bloat
> >> >> >>and
> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >>overwhelming MSD reliance on additional funds from local bonds 
>rather
> >> >>than
> >> >> >>managing their budget as the other districts do.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>One interesting point that should be noted by Tom Hansen, who 
>feels
> >> >> >>strongly
> >> >> >>that data should be up to date, is that this study used data from 
>a
> >> >> >>variety
> >> >> >>of years.  Much of the report used 2002 - 2005 data.  Tom should 
>take
> >> >>note
> >> >> >>because he posted a Letter to the Editor on V2020 complaining that
> >> >> >>information on MoscowLevy.com was invalid because it used 2005 
>data.
> >> >>Will
> >> >> >>Tom take the Idaho legislature to task for not updating their 
>studies
> >> >>more
> >> >> >>frequently?  Will Tom call the Idaho legislature study invalid and
> >> >> >>inaccurate?  No - of course not.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>The "report" referenced by both Dale Courtney and Dave ("School
> >> >> >>District
> >> >> >>Administration and Oversight" report) links to:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> 
> >>http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/ope/publications/reports/r0403.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Dave goes on to state:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>"Much of the report used 2002 - 2005 data"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Well, Dave.  The report (see attached PDF file) is dated January 
>2004
> >> >>and
> >> >> >>concerns data accumulated during fiscal year 2002 (July 2001 - 
>June
> >> >>2002)
> >> >> >>and fiscal year 2003 (July 2002 - June 2003).  The most recent 
>data
> >> >> >>available from this report is almost FOUR YEARS OLD.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Dave goes on to allude:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>"Tom take the Idaho legislature to task for not updating their
> >>studies
> >> >> >>more
> >> >> >>frequently?"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I don't think so, Dave.  The fault does not lie with the state
> >> >>legislature
> >> >> >>for not providing more recent data.  In this case, the problem is
> >>with
> >> >>the
> >> >> >>person (Dale Courtney in this case) who presents such data as
> >> >> >>up-to-date
> >> >> >>and
> >> >> >>accurate.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>We shouldn't hold the state legislature responsible for dale
> >>Courtney's
> >> >> >>lack
> >> >> >>of valid research.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Tom Hansen
> >> >> >>Moscow, Idaho
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >><< SchDistAdminOver_0104.pdf >>
> >> >> >
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