[Vision2020] Population

Fri Mar 16 12:36:20 PDT 2007

Not sure where you are getting your stats or for that matter where Doug 
is....but the fact that several WARS are going on in these places and the 
children are among the highest casualties, and the fact that immigration 
tends to mis-que our population growth/birth just a bit, I believe. has a 
great deal to do with the figures.

The fact is - even according to Doug - the fertility rates in the US have 
gone DOWN over the past few years and our population growth rate with it:

"Global population growth is a significant problem. The US contribution to 
global growth is relatively small"  (Global Action On Aging)

" The previous sections showed that US population over the last 180 years is 
not adequately described by either linear growth models or exponential  
growth models. However, we can say that US population grew exponentially in 
the past, is increasing now by approximately 2.5 million people per year 
(i.e. about twice the population of San Antonio), and that the growth rate 
has dropped from 3% per year to about 1% per year. About 1/3 of current US 
population growth is due to immigration."  (Trinity University)

"Developed world - some countries are near zero population growth, a few are 
actually losing population, and others are near replacement level growth 
rates. The US is near replacement level – that is, each women is having 
roughly two children. "  (US Census Bureau)

"An NPG demographic analysis of age distribution, fertility, and mortality 
data shows that if there had been no immigration to the U.S. since 1990, the 
population in 2000 would have been 262 million–19 million less than the 281 
million counted. Thus, post-1990 immigrants and their children accounted for 
61 percent of population growth during the last decade."  (Negative 
Population Growth)

So basically, each of these (only a few of many, many sites) say that the 
population growth that we have seen is due to immigration rather than 
"American" fertility increases.  If these people stayed in their own 
countries, the figures would be significantly different and more accurate.

I realize you'd have to do more research (hell, ANY research) and would have 
produced a more enlightened comment by you.  But you know, sometimes the 
effort is worth the gain in knowledge and the potential for not looking like 
the biased, hate-filled person that Doug is.  Problem is, he takes  what 
Dale says on his site as gospel (feeling jealous, Doug W?  You are NOT the 
only master of mis-information Doug F listens to - course, he never lived 
with you....so his allegiance is just a bit off.) and he doesn't bother to 
look anywhere else to see if things truly are what Dale presents them as 
being.  But, being brainwashed is really hard for him to overcome...as is 
very apparent in his lack of motivation to seek out the whole story.

J  :]

>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Population
>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:07:07 -0800
>
>"In just 20 or 30 years Iran has gone from six children per woman to two. 
>In
>other words, the U.S. now has a higher fertility rate than Iran. Now that's
>of interest in its own right, but it also means that in 15 or 20 years,
>you're going to have far fewer young men of the sort who represent the
>violent , active militant groups. It's quite likely that there will be a
>decline of religious conflict."
>Philip Jenkins, Professor of history and religious studies at Penn ST U.
>'The New Facts of Christianity'
>
>I am not sure why you keep posting this quote from Doug but you need to 
>know
>that a good many are looking at this sort of demographic. One of the
>processes is that the Muslims in many former Soviet countries are have lots
>of children but others are not so soon we could see some serious changes in
>other countries also. What we think we know today will need to be carefully
>watched and we need to be flexible. So is it that Doug is aware of these
>changes and you are not willing to accept he may know something you don't?
>Or do you keep posting this so that we will all have the info and be sure 
>to
>understand that changes are coming and many people are studying it??
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'Tony'" <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:30 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ed the Viking, Greenland, and Global Warming
>
>
>http://www.NickGier.com
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"As more and more heathens 'choose' to not have children the number of 
>Godly
>souls will increase. If the number of Christian births out number the 
>number
>of Islamic births the battle will be over in 3 or 4 generations."
>
>- Doug "No-Clue" Farris (March 10, 2007)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Tony
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:08 AM
>To: nickgier at adelphia.net
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ed the Viking, Greenland, and Global Warming
>
>Nick, you really need to get over your penchant for modifying the behavior
>of others so as to conform it to some oddball-misfit ideal of yours.  If
>some folks enjoy a beef steak for dinner--get over it!  If you really
>agonize over the future of our planet due to the threat from flatulent
>cattle, you need to see a therapist.
>
>Man!  Al Gore is bringing the nutjobs out of the woodwork.
>
>-T
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:55 PM
>Subject: [Vision2020] Ed the Viking, Greenland, and Global Warming
>
>
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I've not seen this message in my in-box, so I'm sending it again.
> >
> > I just wanted to verify that my source on methane release from livestock
> > was from the UN's FAO report that Megan cited.
> >
> > However, I respect Ted's research and reasoning skills and I would be
> > happy to defer to his judgment on this issue since he has done more
> > research on this than anyone on this list.
> >
> > Thanks, Ted, for making it clear that raising beef cattle, no matter how
> > they fart, is a terribly inefficient and enviornmentally disastrous way 
>of
>
> > getting the protein that we need.
> >
> > Nick Gier
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