[Vision2020] The maladjusted and those who enable them...

Fri Mar 16 08:21:09 PDT 2007

Wow Doug, you really flushed out the extremist, sodomite activists with your 
entirely reasonable and justified outrage over the public school's abhorrent 
support for inappropriate, dirty and unhealthy behaviors.  Saundra's 
determination to avoid reality by choosing to doubt what has by now become 
commonplace, rather than investigate, is disappointing if not surprising.

And how about Wayne's complete refusal to address your message in favor of a 
masturbatory fit of name calling?  You know you have hit upon the truth in a 
persuasive manner when these folks, who seem determined to defend the 
indefensible, respond in a childlike snit.

Keep up the good work partner.

Best,   -Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And you all say that we have a political agenda?!

> Replaying:
>
> This kind of right wing/religious bullshit is what happens when misguided,
> stupid, and/or tyrannical people depend on superstition for their moral
> beliefs rather than observation and reasoning.
>
> W.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
> To: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And you all say that we have a political 
> agenda?!
>
>
>> Note Waltz's final comment, "All our kids are great kids, whether they 
>> are
>> gay or straight," is, I believe, the point of these classes.  Too bad she
>> doesn't get it.
>>
>> Strange the Trib article doesn't even mention the nondisclosure contract
>> bit, which, if true, would be a significant issue for the press.  I
>> seriously doubt there is anything to the claim students have to sign a
>> contract promising "not to tell their parents."  Public school folks who
>> work with teenagers know they tell everything--to everyone, except maybe
>> their parents, until they turn 40 and around the dinner table tell us all
>> that stuff we really don't want to know now.
>>
>> Mrs. Walz's  daughter was hurt when her beliefs were challenged. But
>> that's
>> how kids grow, and adults, too.  To be called on to examine ones beliefs
>> is
>> not to say they are necessarily wrong; but as one who grew up believing
>> pretty much what Mrs Walz would have her daughter believe, I wish someone
>> had challenged my attitudes when I was 17 or so.
>>
>> Thanks for the link.
>>
>> Sue Hovey
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "'Sue Hovey'" <suehovey at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:01 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] And you all say that we have a political
>> agenda?!
>>
>>
>>> Hi Sue,
>>>
>>> You might want to check out this link to a story that was in the Chicago
>>> Trib:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2arte6
>>>
>>> Not surprisingly, the story is actually quite a bit different than the
>>> drivel Doug Farris wants us to believe.  Seems to me the religious
>>> reactionaries need to get their stories straight -- it's hard to make 
>>> the
>>> argument about the whole nonsense of some confidentiality contract when
>>> everyone knows about the event in advance and parents can opt to not 
>>> have
>>> their children participate.  Notice, too, the names & how Ellen Waltz,
>>> whose name appears in the Trib, seems to be changing her story  :-P
>>>
>>>
>>> Saundra Lund
>>> Moscow, ID
>>>
>>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to 
>>> do
>>> nothing.
>>> - Edmund Burke
>>>
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>>> reproduce
>>> outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Sue Hovey
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:48 PM
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; heirdoug at netscape.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And you all say that we have a political
>>> agenda?!
>>>
>>> Seems suspicious to me.  I think I'll consider this release suspect 
>>> until
>>> I see some response from the school personnel.  Does anyone have that?
>>>
>>> Sue
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: heirdoug at netscape.net
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:25 AM
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] And you all say that we have a political agenda?!
>>>
>>> District gags 14-year-olds after 'gay' indoctrination: 'Confidentiality'
>>> promise requires students 'not to tell their parents'
>>>
>>> It is important to understand the distinction between endorsed speech in
>>> schools and allowed speech in schools. When something is mandatory and
>>> the
>>> kids must attend, then it is endorsed speech. This is not a matter of
>>> freedom of speech; rather, it is pushing an agenda. As I’ve said before,
>>> homosexuals have made the public schools their recruiting grounds for
>>> years.
>>> Citizen Link broke this.
>>> Parents of freshmen at Chicago's Deerfield High School say students are
>>> required to attend lectures on gay sexuality, and then sign a contract
>>> forbidding them to talk about it afterward.
>>> Ellen Waltz's son and his friends told her about the lectures --
>>> delivered
>>> by other students -- and the contract.
>>> "[They said,] 'We had to sit there and listen to them tell us about 
>>> their
>>> feelings and what it's like to be gay,' " Waltz said. "They make them
>>> sign
>>> a contract stating that they won't say anything that's in the room."
>>> Lora Sue Hauser, a school-issues adviser for North Shore Student
>>> Advocacy,
>>> said a group of boys told her school officials threatened those who were
>>> reluctant to sign the contract.
>>> "[They were told] 'You will sign this or you will go to the dean,' "
>>> Hauser said.
>>>
>>> More details from World Net Daily:
>>>
>>> Officials at Deerfield High School in Deerfield, Ill., have ordered 
>>> their
>>> 14-year-old freshman class into a "gay" indoctrination seminar, after
>>> having them sign a confidentiality agreement promising not to tell their
>>> parents.
>>> "This is unbelievable," said Matt Barber, policy director for cultural
>>> issues for Concerned Women for America. "It's not enough that students 
>>> at
>>> Deerfield High are being exposed to improper and offensive material
>>> relative to unhealthy and high-risk homosexual behavior, but they've
>>> essentially been told by teachers to lie to their parents about it."
>>> In what CWA called a "shocking and brazen act of government abuse of
>>> parental rights," the school's officials required the 14-year-olds to
>>> attend a "Gay Straight Alliance Network" panel discussion led by "gay"
>>> and
>>> "lesbian" upperclassmen during a "freshman advisory" class which
>>> "secretively featured inappropriate discussions of a sexual nature in
>>> promotion of high-risk homosexual behaviors."
>>> "This goes to the heart of the homosexual agenda," Barber said. "The
>>> professional propagandists in the 'gay-rights' lobby know the method all
>>> too well. If you can maintain control of undeveloped and impressionable
>>> youth and spoon-feed them misinformation, lies and half-truths about
>>> dangerous, disordered and extremely risky behaviors, then you can 
>>> control
>>> the future and ensure that those behaviors are not only fully accepted,
>>> but celebrated."
>>> He said not only is forcing students to be exposed to the pro-homosexual
>>> propaganda bad enough, but then school officials further required that
>>> students sign the "confidentiality agreement" through which they 
>>> promised
>>> not to tell anyone - including their own parents - about the seminar.
>>> Barber said that also aligns with the goals of the disinformation
>>> campaign
>>> being run by those in the pro-homosexual camp. "That's what homosexual
>>> activists from GSA are attempting to do, and that's what DHS is clearly
>>> up
>>> to as well."
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