[Vision2020] Sitler worea Kirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Wed Jun 20 20:36:22 PDT 2007 

Oh yeah?  Based on what facts?  He was allowed to move into a neighborhood 
that had a day care, a park AND an elementary school all within striking 
distance.  Even when that was brought to their attention - NO ONE DID A 
THING until the neighbors raised a fuss and Sitler's new crimes were brought 
out.

Again, I did not mention ANY names - I mentioned a situation and his WIFE 
put him out there.  If she truely was interested in letting it go or not 
hurting him, seems like it was up to her to keep his name out of things.

So, you going after her?

Didn't think so.


J  :]





>From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <joekc at adelphia.net>,        
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler 
>worea	Kirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear
>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:31:38 -0700
>
>
>Nobody's "beating up on" anyone here.  But it's a small town; charges 
>against someone "anonymously" are often and easily identified.  The focus 
>needs to be on real offenses, and if "people in the neighborhood" feel any 
>law enforcement personnel has let them down, they are free to write letters 
>to the editor, join Vision 2020, meet likeminded friends for lunch and 
>vent, or do anything else.  My concern is simply that a good man like Phil 
>Gray not be maligned unfairly; the crime here is solely Sitlerian, and I'm 
>confident that the law will do its work fairly, rightly, and 
>swiftly.keely"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their 
>worlds/Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what 
>they're going through"(With apologies to David Bowie)> From: 
>privatejf32 at hotmail.com> To: joekc at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:21:32 -0700> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler 
>wore a	Kirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear> > To set the record 
>straight, I did not, NOT, "out" SD Gray...his wife did.  I > made what I 
>thought was a valid complaint and comment withOUT names -  on > purpose.  
>The people in that neighborhood also feel he let them down.> > But if it 
>makes you all feel better to beat up on me on this one point - go > for it. 
>  I still have a right to believe that he should have taken his job a > 
>little more seriously - that of protecting the public from creeps like > 
>Sitler - and he should have made it known at LEAST to the day care that > 
>Sitler was there.> > Again, it was NOT me that put Gray's name out there - 
>it was his wife.> > I have the HIGHEST regard for the MPD - the Sheriff's 
>department has been > lacking in quality for years and people know it.  
>(Anyone wonder what > happened to Jennifer McFarland?  Now THERE was a good 
>deputy.)  And NO I am > not saying Gray is not a good SD...I'm just saying 
>his abilities need to be > better evaluated.  Period.> > J  :]> > > > > > 
> >From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore a > 
> >Kirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear> >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 
>8:52:30 -0700> >> >I agree with your comments about the inappropriate and 
>wrongful attack on > >Sgt. Grey and like you I'm grateful for the courage 
>and support that he and > >others have given to the community.> >> >I want 
>to make a brief response to this comment: "I agree that some > >people's 
>obsession with Sitler's whereabouts certainly seems to have less > >to do 
>with broad-based community concerns and more to do with how to > >embarrass 
>a church for the shortcomings they perceive in its pastor."> >> >All of 
>this may well be true but I’m a little uneasy about the comment > 
> >following Crabtree’s irresponsible overgeneralization concerning 
>“the > >rank hypocrisy of ‘Ford’ and her many anti-CC 
>friends.�> >> >Well, some people were merely concerned about the 
>role that the above noted > >pastor had in the early release of a criminal 
>who, within a few short > >weeks, apparently re-offended.> >> >It's one 
>thing for someone to play the role of pastor without a seminary > >degree 
>or to play the role of historian without a history degree and I can > 
> >understand how folks might not want to get caught up in such minutia. It 
>is > >another thing for someone to play the role of councilor for the 
>sexually > >depraved without any training in this area. What is the 
>difference? The > >reason why Sitler is back in jail is the answer.> >> >I 
>have nothing against Christ Church or against the majority of people in > 
> >that church. What I have a problem with is the state of the current 
>debate > >where each and every criticism gets lumped into one big pile of 
>prejudice.> >> >--> >Joe Campbell> >> 
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------> 
> >> >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:27:45 -0700> >From: jeanlivingston 
><jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore a 
>Kirk-orange> >	jumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear> >To: "g. crabtree" 
><jampot at adelphia.net>, "Debbie Gray"> 
> >	<graylex at yahoo.com>,	<vision2020 at moscow.com>> >Message-ID: 
><2edc29895139abec8fc301c8a5467295 at turbonet.com>> >Content-Type: text/plain; 
>charset="utf-8"> >> >> >Frankly, when people start attacking Sgt. Phil 
>Gray, falsely and> >without basis in fact, especially when the complainant 
>doesn't even> >have the law enforcement?job description right, it really 
>is> >nauseating.? Probation and Parole monitors compliance with conditions> 
> >of probation.??Phil does things like putting his life at risk,> >coming 
>in from off-duty and?with?his own vehicle placing himself?in> >the field of 
>fire of a maddened?sniper, twice, so he can rescue> >downed fellow 
>officers, dying and wounded, and get them out of the> >field of fire.?> >> 
> >> >I agree that some people's obsession with Sitler's whereabouts> 
> >certainly seems to have less to do with broad-based community concerns> 
> >and more to do with how to embarrass a church for the> >shortcomings?they 
>perceive in?its pastor.? I sense that many have> >grown weary of the 
>continuing, Sitler-based, attacks on the church> >itself, but when you 
>start throwing verbal napalm beyond that?primary> >target to others, your 
>insensitivityand indiscrimination causes you to> >lose whatever credibility 
>you might have had with?whatever remaining> >folks?were still listening.? 
>Once you have lost the moral high> >ground with these intemperate, 
>ill-advised attacks, your audience and> >ability to influence the rest of 
>the community is lost.> >> >> >Bruce Livingston> >> >> 
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