[Vision2020] Don't change the subject DOUG

Glenn Schwaller vpschwaller at gmail.com
Fri Jun 15 15:49:41 PDT 2007 

I'm not sure what information I've posted Our Hero thinks is a lie.
Maybe he would care to bullet them.  I've posted some opinions on
things he has asked about.  At times I've cited what I believe to be
factual information, but a difference of opinion cannot be construed
as a lie.

Glenn

On 6/15/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> Joe
> Yes, if what Glenn says is a lie, I would be upset. For the moment though I
> will take him at face value.
>
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net
> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:11:35 -0700
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Don't change the subject DOUG
>
> > You're partly right, Roger.
> >
> > I think that Crabtree is a jackass because he is constantly poking ME in
> the eye with a stick. I'm sure if his behavior were directed toward that YOU
> that would think he was a jackass, too -- regardless of his sense of humor.
> >
> > But I don't see the comparison between Crabtree and Bob at all. If
> Crabtree is right, I'm pretentious, insecure, and overly sensitive. That's
> why his post is kind of funny. Nothing of importance really hangs on this.
> >
> > If Bob is right, however, there is something much worse going on. You said
> that you appreciated Schwaller for providing INFORMATION. Wouldn't you be
> upset if it turned out that Bob was right and much of what Schwaller says is
> a lie?
> >
> > I agree with you, though, that each of us could conduct ourselves better
> on Vision 2020 and that we could be more consistent in our views and
> behavior.
> >
> > Best, Joe
> >
> > ---- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > Joe
> > You seam to view this as obnoxious, because it is directed at you. Kind of
> funny I thought, You don.t seam to view Bob Herodotus's slams at Genn that
> way? and they were straight slams with no humor involved. Joan Opyr used to
> be fairly obnoxious too, but because of her style it was still humorous.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:40:43 -0700
> > To: "g. crabtree" jampot at adelphia.net
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Don't change the subject DOUG
> >
> > > Thanks for contributing, Gary! I was worried that your reputation for
> being a jackass was beginning to slip!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joe Campbell
> > >
> > > ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > =============
> > > Man, do I ever "feel your pain" on this one. Years ago when I finally
> completed the final series of tests and evaluations to achieve my certified
> master locksmith rating I was quite crestfallen when I was not addressed as
> "Master" Crabtree by the community at large. I mean really, all that time,
> study, and expense and no recognition? As the years have gone by, I have
> managed to come to grips with my disappointment and manage to live my life
> in a relatively normal fashion but occasionally something, such as this,
> will come up to reopen this aging wound. All I can say now is that I hope
> that you too will learn to cope with the sorrow of not receiving your full
> measure in the arena of professional salutation and somehow manage to
> persevere.
> > >
> > > Master G
> > >
> > >   ...and a hip hop, a rappin' to the rhythm of a doc who squawks a lot.
> He wants us to say "hey there, Dr. J." and when we don't it makes him hot.
> Between you and me if it's simply a PhD there's scant chance to have your
> shot. For respect you shout and with out you pout but props should come
> naturally. If it's title you crave then its time you'll save by acquiring
> your M.D. ... (with apologies to John Deacon)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> > > To: <vpschwaller at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:07 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Don't change the subject DOUG
> > >
> > >
> > > > Good question, Schwaller!
> > > >
> > > > Rational discourse is difficult, so I don't think that faulty
> reasoning is necessarily an indication of some kind of character flaw --
> unless the faulty reasoning is intentional. Deliberately using fallacies,
> deception, or lies in an effort to get someone to believe something is an
> indication of a character flaw but that is more than bad reasoning. Thus, if
> "one arrives at an incorrect assumption or conclusion based on logic and
> reasoning" it doesn't necessarily "say anything about the individual."
> Though it would if the person were a liar.
> > > >
> > > > Which brings me to a hypothetical question. First suppose that you are
> not Glenn Schwaller but that you're someone else like me, reading the posts
> of a man who calls himself 'Glenn Schwaller.' Suppose also that the writer
> of these posts is not named 'Glenn Schwaller' and that no one with that name
> exists locally. Furthermore, suppose that the writer of those posts is a
> pastor at a local church who is pretending to be someone he is not. If this
> were true, what would you think of that pastor? Would you think he was
> crazy? Would you think that he was a danger to the town that you lived in?
> Would you worry?
> > > >
> > > > Remember this is a hypothetical question -- I confessed last time that
> I don't think that you are a pastor of a local church, although you sound
> like one. Keep in mind EVERYTHING that you've said so far. If you were
> someone else reading the posts of 'Glenn Schwaller' and it turned out that
> the writer of those posts was actually a pastor of a local church, what
> would you think of that man? I guess we should suppose, also, that the
> pastor might not actually write the posts but that he encourages others to
> do so. Still, what would you think of such a man?
> > > >
> > > > Since I have your attention and you're finally answering my questions,
> I have another question. I might have asked this before but not directly.
> > > >
> > > > Given that it "seems to you" that "arguments are useless when it comes
> to changing one's beliefs," why do you raise topics like polygamy? It can't
> really be, as you say, an attempt "to generate some discussion on the issue;
> an 'attempt to dialogue' if you will." What is the point of dialogue given
> that you are of the "opinion" that "arguments are useless when it comes to
> changing one's beliefs"? This, by the way, is one reason why I think you're
> merely throwing poop bombs and not actually attempting to engage in
> dialogue. What, according to your own opinions and seemings, is the point of
> dialogue?
> > > >
> > > > There is another question that I asked you previously [Sun Jun 3
> 18:00:52 PDT 2007] but I'll save that for another time. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > And please call me 'Joe,' which I prefer. My gripe was not with folks
> calling me 'Mr. Campbell' as opposed to 'Dr. Campbell.' It was folks calling
> me 'Mr. Campbell' after I happened to mention that I didn't like it. It is
> the stick in the eye that bugs me, not the name. Call me what you wish.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Joe Campbell
> > > >
> > > > ----------------
> > > >
> > > > Thu Jun 14 17:55:49 PDT 2007
> > > >
> > > > Since I have not read a re-write of the history of American slavery, I
> am in
> > > > no position to compare that with the Holocaoust, denial or otherwise.
> And I
> > > > have no idea what I have done that would suggest I use my religion as
> a
> > > > "shield for my actions."
> > > >
> > > > If one arrives at an incorrect assumption or conclusion based on logic
> and
> > > > reasoning, does this say anything about the individual, or their
> reasoning
> > > > processes, or both?  Is their logic invalid, or is their
> interpretation of
> > > > the data faulty?
> > > >
> > > > Glenn
> > > >
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