[Vision2020] A sad Night for Moscow

Tue Jun 5 17:53:00 PDT 2007

Mr. Arnold -

Granted, the city council is not the Imus show.  The city council isn't
Beavis and Butthead, either.

Enough said.

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007) 

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From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:46 PM
To: Tom Hansen; 'g. crabtree'; 'Saundra Lund'; vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: aaronament at moscow.com; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us; bstout at ci.moscow.id.us;
blambert at ci.moscow.id.us; sears at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A sad Night for Moscow

Is this the third or fourth elected city official now to have told Ament to
shut up for being disrespectful and rude to staff during a council meeting?
Obviously, someone needed to tell the former radio show host and bigot this
isn't the Imus show, it is the Moscow City Council. Weber articulated that
in a manner that even Ament could understand. Thank you Councilman Weber for
representing Moscow. 

Best,

Donovan

Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

Mr. Crabtree -

Councilman Ament's comments to the city staff were not so much concerned
with how current the information was that they had provided him as much as
the punctuality in which it was delivered (which apparently is a recurring
theme with this city staff).

Perhaps you would applaud Councilman Weber's lack of maturity. I assure
you, Mr. Crabtree, had many of us here on the Viz acted in such a manner in
our infancy, punishment would have been swift and stern.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3
sex offender."

- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:52 PM
To: Saundra Lund; vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: aaronament at moscow.com; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us; bstout at ci.moscow.id.us;
blambert at ci.moscow.id.us; sears at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sad Night for Moscow

What I found appalling was Ament once again berating the city staff in 
public, at length and ad nauseum. The setting of a city council meeting is 
not the place for Moscow's worst (for now) council person to give vent to 
his peevish little tantrums. While Mr. Weber's turn of phrase may have been 
a tad ill considered, it was certainly timely and far less rude and 
inappropriate then Aments tirade against employees whose greatest failing is

trying to provide him with up to the minute information. The bastards.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Saundra Lund" 
To: 
Cc: ; ; 
; ; 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] A Sad Night for Moscow

> Visionaires:
>
> No matter how you feel about the issue that was under discussion, I am
> absolutely appalled at John Weber's behavior during last night's City
> Council meeting :-( For him to publicly tell another Council member with
> whom he disagrees to "shut up" is simply beyond the pale. Stupid mistakes
> like that do far more to harm our community than do honest disagreements.
>
> What happened to your manners, Mr. Weber? Did you not stop to ***think***
> about your behavior being televised into homes in our community?!? Even 
> my
> 17-year-old knows it's incredibly rude and disrespectful to tell another 
> to
> "shut up." She, BTW, was gleefully (I'm sorry to say) horrified reading
> about your spectacle last night. I had to explain to her I was sure your
> mother *had* raised you better, but people sometimes make mistakes in the
> heat of the moment or not, as she well knows, and that when you make a
> mistake, you apologize, learn from the mistake, and carry on. "Where's 
> his
> apology?" was her question. It's mine, too.
>
> We're waiting for an apology, Mr. Weber -- one is certainly due from you 
> to
> all who witnessed or read about your rude and disrespectful behavior last
> night.
>
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> - Edmund Burke
>
> Moscow-Pullman Daily News
>
> Big-box changes nixed
> By Omie Drawhorn, Daily News staff writer
>
> Tuesday, June 5, 2007 - Page Updated at 12:00:00 AM
>
> Tempers flared at Monday night's Moscow City Council meeting, during which
> the council rejected any amendments to the large retail establishment
> ordinance.
>
> "We already have a dark-store ordinance in there that is stronger than 
> what
> planning and zoning brought us," Councilman Aaron Ament said. "I want to 
> see
> a cap. A cap would serve this community well. We have a big-box shopping
> culture that's just about run its course in this country; we're making 
> sure
> they mitigate for problems they cause the community. Moscow would be crazy
> to drop all the rest and just let them come into the city on their own
> terms."
>
> Ament went on to say he was frustrated that Moscow city staff members hand
> him important documents just minutes before the start of a meeting.
>
> "I'm so tired of coming to sit down and have people flip papers for me to
> read," he said. "I seriously read everything put in the packet, and I find
> it insulting for them to expect me to read it in a couple of minutes."
>
> At that point, Councilman John Weber interrupted Ament.
>
> "We have pretty qualified people over here who do a very good job; I don't
> need you running off on them," he said. "Why don't you just shut up?"
>
> Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney said Weber interrupted Ament at "the appropriate
> time."
>
> "I hope we can retrieve a little civility on all sides," Councilwoman 
> Linda
> Pall said.
>
> The amendments recommended by the planning and zoning commission included:
>
> A large retail establishment would have to expand by at least 30 percent
> before it would be required to apply for a conditional use permit;
>
> Big-box stores between 40,000 and 65,000 square feet would be subject to 
> the
> design manual - which includes standards for the exterior and interior of
> buildings - at the discretion of the board of adjustment;
>
> Any business requiring 140 or fewer parking spaces would not be subject to
> the parking requirements of the design manual;
>
> Size be based on gross floor space as opposed to projected roof area,
> thereby eliminating outdoor storage areas from the calculated square
> footage.
>
> The planning and zoning commission also recommended a guideline for stores
> that go dark in Moscow to follow.
>
> The large retail establishment ordinance, passed in February 2006, 
> requires
> retail stores with more than 40,000 square feet of gross floor area to 
> apply
> for a conditional use permit.
>
> The council heard public testimony on the proposed amendments May 7.
>
> Councilman Bill Lambert said the conditional use permit process already
> gives the city enough control on which businesses are allowed to locate
> within the city.
>
> "The big-box ordinance as it stands now is a tough enough ordinance we're
> not going to need (amendments) like this to prevail," he said. "The
> dark-store issue can be dealt with at the time the conditional use permit 
> is
> requested."
>
> Weber agreed.
>
> "With the dark store ordinance, what we have done here is put in some
> verbiage that would make it almost impossible for anybody from the city to
> enforce or get a handle on," he said. "We've choked it off to the point 
> that
> nobody really wants to come here anyway."
>
> In other business, the council reversed a board of adjustment decision 
> that
> granted a conditional use permit for a proposed a Dutch Bros. coffee 
> outlet
> with a drive-through window at 525 S. Jackson St.
>
> QUICKREAD
>
> WHAT HAPPENED: The Moscow City Council rejected amendments to the large
> retail establishment ordinance recommended by the planning and zoning
> commission.
>
> WHAT IT MEANS: The large retail establishment ordinance will not include a
> size cap. The original dark-store provision remains the same.
>
> WHAT HAPPENS NEXT: The ordinance will remain as originally written.
>
> WHY YOU SHOULD CARE: The ordinance affects businesses greater than 40,000
> square feet that want to move into Moscow.
>
> Omie Drawhorn can be reached at (208) 882-5561, ext. 234, or by e-mail at
> odrawhorn at dnews.com.
>
>
>
>
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