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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mr. Arnold –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Granted, the city council is not the Imus
show. The city council isn’t Beavis and Butthead, either.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Enough said.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."<br>
<br>
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</span></font><font color=navy><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Donovan Arnold
[mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:46
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tom Hansen; 'g. crabtree';
'Saundra Lund'; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> aaronament@moscow.com;
nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us; bstout@ci.moscow.id.us; blambert@ci.moscow.id.us;
sears@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] A sad
Night for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Is this the third or fourth elected city official now to have
told Ament to shut up for being disrespectful and rude to staff
during a council meeting? Obviously, someone needed to tell the former radio
show host and bigot this isn't the Imus show, it is the Moscow City Council.
Weber articulated that in a manner that even Ament could understand. Thank
you Councilman Weber for representing <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Donovan<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Tom Hansen
<thansen@moscow.com></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Mr. Crabtree -<br>
<br>
Councilman Ament's comments to the city staff were not so much concerned<br>
with how current the information was that they had provided him as much as<br>
the punctuality in which it was delivered (which apparently is a recurring<br>
theme with this city staff).<br>
<br>
Perhaps you would applaud Councilman Weber's lack of maturity. I assure<br>
you, Mr. Crabtree, had many of us here on the Viz acted in such a manner in<br>
our infancy, punishment would have been swift and stern.<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><br>
<br>
"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a
Level-3<br>
sex offender."<br>
<br>
- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)<br>
<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>
On Behalf Of g. crabtree<br>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:52 PM<br>
To: Saundra Lund; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Cc: aaronament@moscow.com; nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us; bstout@ci.moscow.id.us;<br>
blambert@ci.moscow.id.us; sears@moscow.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sad Night for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City><br>
<br>
What I found appalling was Ament once again berating the city staff in <br>
public, at length and ad nauseum. The setting of a city council meeting is <br>
not the place for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>'s
worst (for now) council person to give vent to <br>
his peevish little tantrums. While Mr. Weber's turn of phrase may have been <br>
a tad ill considered, it was certainly timely and far less rude and <br>
inappropriate then Aments tirade against employees whose greatest failing is<br>
<br>
trying to provide him with up to the minute information. The bastards.<br>
<br>
g<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Saundra Lund" <br>
<SSLUND@ROADRUNNER.COM>To: <br>
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>Cc: <BSTOUT@CI.MOSCOW.ID.US>; <AARONAMENT@MOSCOW.COM>; <br>
<BLAMBERT@CI.MOSCOW.ID.US>; <NCHANEY@CI.MOSCOW.ID.US>; <br>
<SEARS@MOSCOW.COM>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:12 PM<br>
Subject: [Vision2020] A Sad Night for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City><br>
<br>
<br>
> Visionaires:<br>
><br>
> No matter how you feel about the issue that was under discussion, I am<br>
> absolutely appalled at John Weber's behavior during last night's City<br>
> Council meeting :-( For him to publicly tell another Council member with<br>
> whom he disagrees to "shut up" is simply beyond the pale. Stupid
mistakes<br>
> like that do far more to harm our community than do honest disagreements.<br>
><br>
> What happened to your manners, Mr. Weber? Did you not stop to ***think***<br>
> about your behavior being televised into homes in our community?!? Even <br>
> my<br>
> 17-year-old knows it's incredibly rude and disrespectful to tell another <br>
> to<br>
> "shut up." She, BTW, was gleefully (I'm sorry to say) horrified
reading<br>
> about your spectacle last night. I had to explain to her I was sure your<br>
> mother *had* raised you better, but people sometimes make mistakes in the<br>
> heat of the moment or not, as she well knows, and that when you make a<br>
> mistake, you apologize, learn from the mistake, and carry on.
"Where's <br>
> his<br>
> apology?" was her question. It's mine, too.<br>
><br>
> We're waiting for an apology, Mr. Weber -- one is certainly due from you <br>
> to<br>
> all who witnessed or read about your rude and disrespectful behavior last<br>
> night.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Saundra Lund<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">ID</st1:State></st1:place><br>
><br>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>
> nothing.<br>
> - Edmund Burke<br>
><br>
> Moscow-Pullman Daily News<br>
><br>
> Big-box changes nixed<br>
> By Omie Drawhorn, Daily News staff writer<br>
><br>
> Tuesday, June 5, 2007 - Page Updated at 12:00:00 AM<br>
><br>
> Tempers flared at Monday night's Moscow City Council meeting, during which<br>
> the council rejected any amendments to the large retail establishment<br>
> ordinance.<br>
><br>
> "We already have a dark-store ordinance in there that is stronger
than <br>
> what<br>
> planning and zoning brought us," Councilman Aaron Ament said. "I
want to <br>
> see<br>
> a cap. A cap would serve this community well. We have a big-box shopping<br>
> culture that's just about run its course in this country; we're making <br>
> sure<br>
> they mitigate for problems they cause the community. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> would be crazy<br>
> to drop all the rest and just let them come into the city on their own<br>
> terms."<br>
><br>
> Ament went on to say he was frustrated that <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> city staff members hand<br>
> him important documents just minutes before the start of a meeting.<br>
><br>
> "I'm so tired of coming to sit down and have people flip papers for
me to<br>
> read," he said. "I seriously read everything put in the packet,
and I find<br>
> it insulting for them to expect me to read it in a couple of
minutes."<br>
><br>
> At that point, Councilman John Weber interrupted Ament.<br>
><br>
> "We have pretty qualified people over here who do a very good job; I
don't<br>
> need you running off on them," he said. "Why don't you just shut
up?"<br>
><br>
> Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney said Weber interrupted Ament at "the
appropriate<br>
> time."<br>
><br>
> "I hope we can retrieve a little civility on all sides,"
Councilwoman <br>
> Linda<br>
> Pall said.<br>
><br>
> The amendments recommended by the planning and zoning commission included:<br>
><br>
> A large retail establishment would have to expand by at least 30 percent<br>
> before it would be required to apply for a conditional use permit;<br>
><br>
> Big-box stores between 40,000 and 65,000 square feet would be subject to <br>
> the<br>
> design manual - which includes standards for the exterior and interior of<br>
> buildings - at the discretion of the board of adjustment;<br>
><br>
> Any business requiring 140 or fewer parking spaces would not be subject to<br>
> the parking requirements of the design manual;<br>
><br>
> Size be based on gross floor space as opposed to projected roof area,<br>
> thereby eliminating outdoor storage areas from the calculated square<br>
> footage.<br>
><br>
> The planning and zoning commission also recommended a guideline for stores<br>
> that go dark in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
to follow.<br>
><br>
> The large retail establishment ordinance, passed in February 2006, <br>
> requires<br>
> retail stores with more than 40,000 square feet of gross floor area to <br>
> apply<br>
> for a conditional use permit.<br>
><br>
> The council heard public testimony on the proposed amendments May 7.<br>
><br>
> Councilman Bill Lambert said the conditional use permit process already<br>
> gives the city enough control on which businesses are allowed to locate<br>
> within the city.<br>
><br>
> "The big-box ordinance as it stands now is a tough enough ordinance
we're<br>
> not going to need (amendments) like this to prevail," he said.
"The<br>
> dark-store issue can be dealt with at the time the conditional use permit <br>
> is<br>
> requested."<br>
><br>
> Weber agreed.<br>
><br>
> "With the dark store ordinance, what we have done here is put in some<br>
> verbiage that would make it almost impossible for anybody from the city to<br>
> enforce or get a handle on," he said. "We've choked it off to
the point <br>
> that<br>
> nobody really wants to come here anyway."<br>
><br>
> In other business, the council reversed a board of adjustment decision <br>
> that<br>
> granted a conditional use permit for a proposed a Dutch Bros. coffee <br>
> outlet<br>
> with a drive-through window at <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">525
S. Jackson St</st1:address></st1:Street>.<br>
><br>
> QUICKREAD<br>
><br>
> WHAT HAPPENED: The Moscow City Council rejected amendments to the large<br>
> retail establishment ordinance recommended by the planning and zoning<br>
> commission.<br>
><br>
> WHAT IT MEANS: The large retail establishment ordinance will not include a<br>
> size cap. The original dark-store provision remains the same.<br>
><br>
> WHAT HAPPENS NEXT: The ordinance will remain as originally written.<br>
><br>
> WHY YOU SHOULD CARE: The ordinance affects businesses greater than 40,000<br>
> square feet that want to move into <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
><br>
> Omie Drawhorn can be reached at (208) 882-5561, ext. 234, or by e-mail at<br>
> odrawhorn@dnews.com.<br>
><br>
><br>
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