[Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 5 14:47:27 PDT 2007
Point is, Pat, you did not want to have a conversation you wanted to make a
point. Another issue is - what was that point?!!!
If you can't or are choosing to ignore questioning of your e-mails be kind
enough to not bother. Just clogs the arteries of the computer e-mail
system, don't ya know!
J :]
>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads
>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:52:16 -0700
>
>OK...I am sorry for wanting to have a conversation that would have history
>and the actions of others in it but some of you do not seem to be able to
>go
>along. So, I am dropping the subject and please be aware that you do not
>know anything about me or my thoughts about anything.
>Perhaps this is too complicated a subject for an email site where-in we
>cannot see nor hear the inflection of voice...but jump to many judgements
>nontheless.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>
>To: "'Pat Kraut'" <pkraut at moscow.com>; "'vision2020'"
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:44 AM
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads
>
>
>Hi Pat,
>
>So, the reverse would hold true as well, correct? "The church" (and please
>clarify what you mean by "the church") has no right to try to force the
>State to do something it is against, right? If "the church" wants to do
>something, it should go for it, but the State should not be forced into
>anything by "the church", right?
>
>And, we can count on you to stand up and speak out against "the church"
>trying to force the state into things, right?
>
>Of course, I don't agree with your premise for ***obvious*** reasons, but
>I'm just wanting to make sure you're consistent, at least :-)
>
>
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
>
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>nothing.
>- Edmund Burke
>
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>plus
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
>Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:18 PM
>To: vision2020
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads
>
>The state has no right to force the church to do something it is against.
>If
>the state wants to do it...go for it...but the church should not be forced
>into anything.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads
>
>
>Why is it not a state issue? Why not open it up so that any two
>consenting adults can marry each other and gain the benefits that
>heterosexual couples currently enjoy? The individual churches can still
>refuse to marry any two people based upon whatever criteria they care to
>name. There are plenty of religions that don't have a problem with it.
>So why should they be restricted in what they can do simply because some
>other groups does have a problem with it? This is why the separation of
>church and state is a good thing. It provides a framework that people
>of all different creeds can use as they see fit.
>
>I really wish church leaders would govern their own flocks, and stop
>trying to control all the other faiths.
>
>Paul
>
>pkraut at moscow.com wrote:
> > You are trying to argue with the state and this is a church issue. The
> > church does not want to marry homosexuals because the bible talks about
>it
> > being an no-no. The church also questioned marrying outside of their
> > religion and race because the bible suggests it is not a good thing. By
> > taking the issue to the church you would actually have to discuss this
> > problem with some reality which of course is why it is presented to the
> > state. If the church decided to marry outside of race you need to seek
>the
> > answer from churches. There are churches that are willing to marry
> > homosexuals also...with some of the same problems that happened when
>some
> > chose to marry outside of race.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> >From today's (June 3, 2007) Spokesman Review -
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Jeb Bush featured in gay marriage ads
> >> Lesley Clark
> >> McClatchy
> >> June 3, 2007
> >>
> >> WASHINGTON - Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the poster child for gay
> >> marriage?
> >>
> >> A coalition of civil rights groups that back gay marriage is using
> >>
> > photos of
> >
> >> prominent couples like the former Republican governor and his Mexican-
> >>
> > born
> >
> >> wife, Columba, in an advertising campaign marking the 40th anniversary
>of
> >> Loving v. Virginia, a U.S. Supreme Court decision that gave interracial
> >> couples the right to marry.
> >>
> >> The groups say they hope to use the couples and the court case to
>bolster
> >> their contention that marriage is a civil right that should know no
> >>
> > bounds -
> >
> >> even for those of the same sex.
> >>
> >> "We're honoring and celebrating something that just over 40 years ago
> >>
> > some
> >
> >> Americans said was immoral and wrong and could not happen," said Jimmy
> >> Creech, the executive director of Faith in America, a gay rights
>advocacy
> >> group that is bankrolling the ad campaign. "We're celebrating the
>wisdom
> >> that prejudice and bigotry was removed from the law books and Americans
> >>
> > were
> >
> >> given the right to marry the person they loved, regardless of race."
> >>
> >> The "Freedom to Marry" advertising campaign - to be launched Monday -
> >> consists of six ads that will run in two Capitol Hill publications,
>Roll
> >> Call and Politico. They feature photos of interracial couples like
>golfer
> >> Tiger Woods and his wife, Elin, and former U.S. Defense Secretary Bill
> >>
> > Cohen
> >
> >> and his wife, Janet Langhart, who have authored a book about their
> >>
> > marriage,
> >
> >> "Love in Black and White." Couples married to someone of a different
> >> ethnicity, like the Bushes, are also featured.
> >>
> >> The ads note that 16 states still banned interracial marriages until
>the
> >> Supreme Court struck down a Virginia law in 1967, finding "the freedom
>to
> >> marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights
> >>
> > essential
> >
> >> to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."
> >>
> >> "Jeb and Columba Bush couldn't marry today if discrimination were still
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> law of the land," the ad that features the former Florida first couple
> >> reads.
> >>
> >> Bush didn't respond to a request for comment. But John Stemberger, an
> >> Orlando attorney who is spearheading a petition drive to put a gay
> >>
> > marriage
> >
> >> ban up for a vote in Florida in 2008, called the ads "a little bit
> >>
> > silly."
> >
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >>
> >> Tom Hansen
> >> Moscow, Idaho
> >>
> >> "Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in
> >> Albany, Georgia and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were
> >>
> > fighting
> >
> >> for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own,
> >>
> > and
> >
> >> I salute their contributions."
> >>
> >> - Coretta Scott King (March 30, 1998)
> >>
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