[Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads

Mon Jun 4 07:12:51 PDT 2007

She shoots, she scores!keely> From: sslund at roadrunner.com> To: pkraut at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:44:02 -0700> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads> > Hi Pat,> > So, the reverse would hold true as well, correct?  "The church" (and please> clarify what you mean by "the church") has no right to try to force the> State to do something it is against, right?  If "the church" wants to do> something, it should go for it, but the State should not be forced into> anything by "the church", right?> > And, we can count on you to stand up and speak out against "the church"> trying to force the state into things, right?> > Of course, I don't agree with your premise for ***obvious*** reasons, but> I'm just wanting to make sure you're consistent, at least  :-)> > > Saundra Lund> Moscow, ID> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do> nothing.> - Edmund Burke> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007 through life plus> 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the> author.***** > > -----Original Message-----> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]> On Behalf Of Pat Kraut> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:18 PM> To: vision2020> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads> > The state has no right to force the church to do something it is against. If> the state wants to do it...go for it...but the church should not be forced> into anything.> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:41 PM> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads> > > Why is it not a state issue?  Why not open it up so that any two> consenting adults can marry each other and gain the benefits that> heterosexual couples currently enjoy?  The individual churches can still> refuse to marry any two people based upon whatever criteria they care to> name.  There are plenty of religions that don't have a problem with it.> So why should they be restricted in what they can do simply because some> other groups does have a problem with it?  This is why the separation of> church and state is a good thing.  It provides a framework that people> of all different creeds can use as they see fit.> > I really wish church leaders would govern their own flocks, and stop> trying to control all the other faiths.> > Paul> > pkraut at moscow.com wrote:> > You are trying to argue with the state and this is a church issue. The> > church does not want to marry homosexuals because the bible talks about it> > being an no-no. The church also questioned marrying outside of their> > religion and race because the bible suggests it is not a good thing. By> > taking the issue to the church you would actually have to discuss this> > problem with some reality which of course is why it is presented to the> > state. If the church decided to marry outside of race you need to seek the> > answer from churches. There are churches that are willing to marry> > homosexuals also...with some of the same problems that happened when some> > chose to marry outside of race.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >From today's (June 3, 2007) Spokesman Review -> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------> >>> >> Jeb Bush featured in gay marriage ads> >> Lesley Clark> >> McClatchy> >> June 3, 2007> >>> >> WASHINGTON - Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the poster child for gay> >> marriage?> >>> >> A coalition of civil rights groups that back gay marriage is using> >>> > photos of> >> >> prominent couples like the former Republican governor and his Mexican-> >>> > born> >> >> wife, Columba, in an advertising campaign marking the 40th anniversary of> >> Loving v. Virginia, a U.S. Supreme Court decision that gave interracial> >> couples the right to marry.> >>> >> The groups say they hope to use the couples and the court case to bolster> >> their contention that marriage is a civil right that should know no> >>> > bounds -> >> >> even for those of the same sex.> >>> >> "We're honoring and celebrating something that just over 40 years ago> >>> > some> >> >> Americans said was immoral and wrong and could not happen," said Jimmy> >> Creech, the executive director of Faith in America, a gay rights advocacy> >> group that is bankrolling the ad campaign. "We're celebrating the wisdom> >> that prejudice and bigotry was removed from the law books and Americans> >>> > were> >> >> given the right to marry the person they loved, regardless of race."> >>> >> The "Freedom to Marry" advertising campaign - to be launched Monday -> >> consists of six ads that will run in two Capitol Hill publications, Roll> >> Call and Politico. They feature photos of interracial couples like golfer> >> Tiger Woods and his wife, Elin, and former U.S. Defense Secretary Bill> >>> > Cohen> >> >> and his wife, Janet Langhart, who have authored a book about their> >>> > marriage,> >> >> "Love in Black and White." Couples married to someone of a different> >> ethnicity, like the Bushes, are also featured.> >>> >> The ads note that 16 states still banned interracial marriages until the> >> Supreme Court struck down a Virginia law in 1967, finding "the freedom to> >> marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights> >>> > essential> >> >> to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."> >>> >> "Jeb and Columba Bush couldn't marry today if discrimination were still> >>> > the> >> >> law of the land," the ad that features the former Florida first couple> >> reads.> >>> >> Bush didn't respond to a request for comment. But John Stemberger, an> >> Orlando attorney who is spearheading a petition drive to put a gay> >>> > marriage> >> >> ban up for a vote in Florida in 2008, called the ads "a little bit> >>> > silly."> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------> >>> >> Seeya round town, Moscow.> >>> >> Tom Hansen> >> Moscow, Idaho> >>> >> "Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in> >> Albany, Georgia and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of> >>> > the> >> >> Civil Rights Movement.  Many of these courageous men and women were> >>> > fighting> >> >> for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own,> >>> > and> >> >> I salute their contributions."> >>> >> - Coretta Scott King (March 30, 1998)> >>> >>> >> =======================================================> >>  List services made available by First Step Internet,> >>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> >>                http://www.fsr.net> >>           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> >> =======================================================> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------> > This message was sent by First Step Internet.> >            http://www.fsr.com/> >> >> > =======================================================> >  List services made available by First Step Internet,> >  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> >                http://www.fsr.net> >           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > =======================================================> >> >> > =======================================================>  List services made available by First Step Internet,>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.>                http://www.fsr.net>           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/07 12:47> PM> > =======================================================>  List services made available by First Step Internet, >  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   >                http://www.fsr.net                       >           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================> > > > =======================================================>  List services made available by First Step Internet, >  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   >                http://www.fsr.net                       >           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================
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