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She shoots, she scores!<br><br>keely<br><br>> From: sslund@roadrunner.com<br>> To: pkraut@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:44:02 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads<br>> <br>> Hi Pat,<br>> <br>> So, the reverse would hold true as well, correct? "The church" (and please<br>> clarify what you mean by "the church") has no right to try to force the<br>> State to do something it is against, right? If "the church" wants to do<br>> something, it should go for it, but the State should not be forced into<br>> anything by "the church", right?<br>> <br>> And, we can count on you to stand up and speak out against "the church"<br>> trying to force the state into things, right?<br>> <br>> Of course, I don't agree with your premise for ***obvious*** reasons, but<br>> I'm just wanting to make sure you're consistent, at least :-)<br>> <br>> <br>> Saundra Lund<br>> Moscow, ID<br>> <br>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>> nothing.<br>> - Edmund Burke<br>> <br>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007 through life plus<br>> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside<br>> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the<br>> author.***** <br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>> On Behalf Of Pat Kraut<br>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:18 PM<br>> To: vision2020<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads<br>> <br>> The state has no right to force the church to do something it is against. If<br>> the state wants to do it...go for it...but the church should not be forced<br>> into anything.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter@yahoo.com><br>> To: <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:41 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads<br>> <br>> <br>> Why is it not a state issue? Why not open it up so that any two<br>> consenting adults can marry each other and gain the benefits that<br>> heterosexual couples currently enjoy? The individual churches can still<br>> refuse to marry any two people based upon whatever criteria they care to<br>> name. There are plenty of religions that don't have a problem with it.<br>> So why should they be restricted in what they can do simply because some<br>> other groups does have a problem with it? This is why the separation of<br>> church and state is a good thing. It provides a framework that people<br>> of all different creeds can use as they see fit.<br>> <br>> I really wish church leaders would govern their own flocks, and stop<br>> trying to control all the other faiths.<br>> <br>> Paul<br>> <br>> pkraut@moscow.com wrote:<br>> > You are trying to argue with the state and this is a church issue. The<br>> > church does not want to marry homosexuals because the bible talks about it<br>> > being an no-no. The church also questioned marrying outside of their<br>> > religion and race because the bible suggests it is not a good thing. By<br>> > taking the issue to the church you would actually have to discuss this<br>> > problem with some reality which of course is why it is presented to the<br>> > state. If the church decided to marry outside of race you need to seek the<br>> > answer from churches. There are churches that are willing to marry<br>> > homosexuals also...with some of the same problems that happened when some<br>> > chose to marry outside of race.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> >From today's (June 3, 2007) Spokesman Review -<br>> >><br>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> Jeb Bush featured in gay marriage ads<br>> >> Lesley Clark<br>> >> McClatchy<br>> >> June 3, 2007<br>> >><br>> >> WASHINGTON - Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the poster child for gay<br>> >> marriage?<br>> >><br>> >> A coalition of civil rights groups that back gay marriage is using<br>> >><br>> > photos of<br>> ><br>> >> prominent couples like the former Republican governor and his Mexican-<br>> >><br>> > born<br>> ><br>> >> wife, Columba, in an advertising campaign marking the 40th anniversary of<br>> >> Loving v. Virginia, a U.S. Supreme Court decision that gave interracial<br>> >> couples the right to marry.<br>> >><br>> >> The groups say they hope to use the couples and the court case to bolster<br>> >> their contention that marriage is a civil right that should know no<br>> >><br>> > bounds -<br>> ><br>> >> even for those of the same sex.<br>> >><br>> >> "We're honoring and celebrating something that just over 40 years ago<br>> >><br>> > some<br>> ><br>> >> Americans said was immoral and wrong and could not happen," said Jimmy<br>> >> Creech, the executive director of Faith in America, a gay rights advocacy<br>> >> group that is bankrolling the ad campaign. "We're celebrating the wisdom<br>> >> that prejudice and bigotry was removed from the law books and Americans<br>> >><br>> > were<br>> ><br>> >> given the right to marry the person they loved, regardless of race."<br>> >><br>> >> The "Freedom to Marry" advertising campaign - to be launched Monday -<br>> >> consists of six ads that will run in two Capitol Hill publications, Roll<br>> >> Call and Politico. They feature photos of interracial couples like golfer<br>> >> Tiger Woods and his wife, Elin, and former U.S. Defense Secretary Bill<br>> >><br>> > Cohen<br>> ><br>> >> and his wife, Janet Langhart, who have authored a book about their<br>> >><br>> > marriage,<br>> ><br>> >> "Love in Black and White." Couples married to someone of a different<br>> >> ethnicity, like the Bushes, are also featured.<br>> >><br>> >> The ads note that 16 states still banned interracial marriages until the<br>> >> Supreme Court struck down a Virginia law in 1967, finding "the freedom to<br>> >> marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights<br>> >><br>> > essential<br>> ><br>> >> to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."<br>> >><br>> >> "Jeb and Columba Bush couldn't marry today if discrimination were still<br>> >><br>> > the<br>> ><br>> >> law of the land," the ad that features the former Florida first couple<br>> >> reads.<br>> >><br>> >> Bush didn't respond to a request for comment. But John Stemberger, an<br>> >> Orlando attorney who is spearheading a petition drive to put a gay<br>> >><br>> > marriage<br>> ><br>> >> ban up for a vote in Florida in 2008, called the ads "a little bit<br>> >><br>> > silly."<br>> ><br>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> >><br>> >> Tom Hansen<br>> >> Moscow, Idaho<br>> >><br>> >> "Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in<br>> >> Albany, Georgia and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of<br>> >><br>> > the<br>> ><br>> >> Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were<br>> >><br>> > fighting<br>> ><br>> >> for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own,<br>> >><br>> > and<br>> ><br>> >> I salute their contributions."<br>> >><br>> >> - Coretta Scott King (March 30, 1998)<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> =======================================================<br>> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> =======================================================<br>> >><br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ---------------------------------------------<br>> > This message was sent by First Step Internet.<br>> > http://www.fsr.com/<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> ><br>> ><br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> No virus found in this incoming message.<br>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/07 12:47<br>> PM<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br /><hr />Make every IM count. 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