[Vision2020] Mr. Schwaller Preyed All Day

Sun Jun 3 20:16:39 PDT 2007

You're good.  It is my hope, you are legit.

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>From: Bob Herodotus <bherodotus at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Mr. Schwaller Preyed All Day
>Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:45:06 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Dear Mr. Schwaller,
>
>You will recall that about two weeks ago, I wrote, “Sitler learned from 
>Wilson how to create opportunities by misrepresentation and then pounce on 
>weakness the moment he saw it.” And you will recall that this particular 
>post sent you over the edge into an “I am not Doug Wilson, I just act like 
>him” fit of rage.
>
>I call this to your attention because you responded to “Let Us Prey” 
>according to this modus operandi. You did not acknowledge that the author 
>of the post predicated his argument on Douglas Wilson’s formal fallacy of 
>affirming the consequent, and you did not acknowledge that the writer 
>illustrated his point with one example of kirkers being inconsistent with 
>their own beliefs, when they should not. Then you made the extraordinary 
>leap from God answering the Kirk’s imprecatory prayers to God sending JH to 
>Moscow for some unknown slight. In other words, you twisted the argument 
>and superimposed your perversion on me:
>
>“It sounds to me as if you are saying Christ Church is an enemy of God, 
>offered an imprecatroy prayer to God improperly, and as punishment for 
>that, God sent Steven Sitler to abuse their children. Did I get that right? 
>Is that how the God you believe in functions?? Did God send us Jason 
>Hamilton for some unknown slight to Him or some other poor soul?”
>
>Can you see your misrepresentation? It’s clear that you wanted to create 
>weakness, or vulnerability in my position, so that you could exploit it by 
>pitting your straw man against the community. Mr. Schwaller, your style (in 
>this post) reminds me of Doug Jones — the Kirk’s sidewinder. He might look 
>cute and chubby, like the Pillsbury Dougboy; but that plump little reptile 
>glides rather smoothly, dripping sincerity with each deception, so that he 
>can position himself to lunge on his prey.
>
>But the Kirk’s cold-blooded elder is not my point; my point is that your 
>misrepresentation constitutes one more proof that you suffer from a 
>terminal case of “I am not Doug Wilson, I just act like him” disease. Think 
>about it. You used deceit to gain the moral high ground. This is classic 
>Wilson who holds deceit as a virtue to take dominion, which brings us back 
>to point.
>
>Doug Wilson and Doug Jones cultured an environment where treachery is a 
>virtue, and Steven Sitler thrived in their treacherous culture. Indeed, he 
>flourished as they taught him to create susceptibility in his victims 
>through guile. Ironically, they taught him, by example, right here on 
>Vision 2020. The Kirk’s predatory elders taught the Kirk’s God-sent 
>predator to sharpen his skills in this very forum. Now that’s ironic. It 
>also leads to my final point.
>
>Your attempt to CONTROL THE CONVERSATION has failed and I remind you of my 
>outstanding request for you to tell us “in what capacity you ‘worked for 
>several months with Mr Sitler and other sex offenders in our area’ and how 
>we may confirm this claim.” I am certain the answer to this request will 
>help you discover the Schwaller within.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Bob Herodotus
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Glenn Schwaller <vpschwaller at gmail.com></vpschwaller at gmail.com>
>To: Bob Herodotus <bherodotus at yahoo.com></bherodotus at yahoo.com>; 
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2007 2:56:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sabbath Contemplation for Mr. Schwaller — Let 
>Us Prey
>
>Dear Mr Herodotus
>
>Thank you for the information. Since Poohs Blog or Poohs Speak (I don't 
>remember what it's called) seems to be down at the present time, I have no 
>way of reading all the information that is available.
>
>As I understand it, imprecatory prayer asks for God to destroy His enemies. 
>To me, the "His" indicates enemies of God, not the enemies of some poor guy 
>who thinks he's being persecuted. An enemy of Doug Wilson (or you, or me, 
>or anyone) is not necessarily an enemy of God. Even if you or I or Doug 
>Wilson THINK someone is an enemy of God, doesn't make it so. So I guess 
>it's up to God to determine if the enemies against whom the imprecatory 
>prayers were offered were enemies worthy of being punished in His name.
>
>It sounds to me as if you are saying Christ Church is an enemy of God, 
>offered an imprecatroy prayer to God improperly, and as punishment for 
>that, God sent Steven Sitler to abuse their children. Did I get that right? 
>Is that how the God you believe in functions?? Did God send us Jason 
>Hamilton for some unknown slight to Him or some other poor soul? If so, you 
>may keep your God; mine would never be so evil and callous.
>
>There was what I felt to be a divinely inspired service at the Presbyterian 
>Church this morning. At no time this morning did I feel the presence of an 
>cruel, insensitive God. When I do, it's time to find another God.
>
>Schwaller
>
>As far as Douglas Wilson's thoughts on rape, I find them to be abhorrent.
>
>On 6/3/07, Bob Herodotus 
><bherodotus at yahoo.com></bherodotus at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>Dear Mr. Schwaller,
>
>Continuing our education in the ABCs of Doug Wilson, you recall that I told 
>you that a local blogger broke the story about Steven Sitler and Pastor 
>Wilson's failure to warn his flock. Well, exactly one year ago today, that 
>blogger posted the following essay on his website, which I lifted and 
>archived for the benefit of folks like you. You will notice that I used 
>this post as the template for my previous contemplation:
>
>Douglas Wilson has adopted a policy of affirming the consequent, which is 
>the logical fallacy holding that the proposition "if A then B" necessitates 
>the proposition "if B then A," even though "if B then A" is plainly false. 
>For example, Scripture teaches that, as a rule, righteous people will 
>suffer persecution for their righteousness; but Scripture does not teach 
>that everyone who experiences opposition is living righteously, which is 
>the position advanced by Wilson when he points to all of the Kirk's 
>internal and external grief, saying, "We must be doing something right." 
>And while it may be true that Christ Church and its affiliated ministries 
>may be doing something right, it is certainly true that they are doing many 
>things wrong — very wrong — such as prayer.
>
>Perhaps you could reflect upon the Kirk's imprecatory-prayer policy and its 
>possible relation to Steven Sitler's serial predation of Kirk children. 
>From June 2003 through July 2003, Christ Church conducted 
>imprecatory-prayer meetings — daily — asking God to visit judgment upon 
>their "enemies." Steven Sitler arrived in Moscow to attend New Saint 
>Andrews College in August 2003. And if you believe that God answers prayer, 
>then this fact deserves serious contemplation, especially in light of 
>Douglas Wilson's thoughts on rape, in his book "Fidelity":
>
>"Violent rape is a judgment of God upon a people. . . This does not justify 
>the perpetrators; it is simply the recognition that when disaster befalls a 
>city, sexual disaster for the women is part of this. This does not mean 
>that a woman who is raped should assume any personal responsibility for it; 
>she is innocent. . . Violent rape is God's judgment on a culture, and 
>individual women who are part of that culture are included in the judgment. 
>But this does not mean that they as individuals "deserved" it. . . . We see 
>the same judgment at work in disintegrating cultures: 'Because sentence 
>against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the 
>sons of men is fully set in them to do evil' (Eccl. 8:11). Here the rape is 
>not being perpetrated by foreign soldiers, but is the result of citizens 
>turning on one another. Every culture is a gathering of sinners, and so 
>rape is always a possibility. But when God's hand of judgment is heavy upon 
>a people, women are in
>   far greater danger of sexual assault than at other times." (Douglas 
>Wilson, "Fidelity: What It Means To Be a One-Woman Man" [Moscow: Canon 
>Press, 1999] 82, 83)
>
>If this serial pedophilia had taken place in the local government school 
>system, Wilson would have wagged his finger at the disintegrating culture, 
>and if a person against whom the Kirk utters their imprecatory prayers had 
>suffered a similar hard providence, Wilson would fill the web with gloats 
>and jeers. But now we see that God has visited the unspeakable upon Christ 
>Church, and He did it at the exact time when they labored in prayer 
>beseeching harm upon their neighbors. This should not go unnoticed.
>
>Douglas Wilson's enemy theology cultivates selfishness, implants acrimony, 
>fosters revenge, and breeds hate. It is a culture of death. It is a culture 
>under "God's hand of judgment." And the Kirk's enemy theology reached its 
>zenith in the summer of 2003, when they asked for pain, calamity, torment, 
>and affliction upon others; and God Almighty answered their imprecations 
>with one of their own citizens. God sent them Steven Sitler to rape 
>helpless and innocent children.
>
>But the point is not Sitler's abuse. These dear loved ones who suffered at 
>Sitler's hands are not merely victims of child molestation; they are 
>victims of profound spiritual abuse. They are victims of Doug Wilson's 
>enemy theology. And if the Kirk wants relief, or even mercy, then they 
>should seek it at the very place where they scorned it — on their knees, in 
>prayer.
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
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