[Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq

Sun Jun 3 10:06:42 PDT 2007

Tom,

I do and have understood your point.

Mine is the fact that all illegal migration is not determined upon "some" 
unlawful corps. I feel that many move here for others reasons such as their 
understanding of our loopholes. Our programs that will take care of their 
children and well being.

Yes we should stop unethical big corps from doing illegal stuff. It is 
however, sometimes very difficult for employers to know if they are legal or 
not. Again, illegals finding loopholes.

Matt

>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <godshatter at yahoo.com>,        
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq
>Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:35:25 -0700
>
>Matt -
>
>As I have said over and over and over again, the focus should be on the
>corporations that illegally hire the "illegals".  If you want to stop
>illegal migration, you simply eliminate the lure that creates it, unlawful
>hiring practices.  That includes the farming industry of southern Idaho as
>well.
>
>Have you even seen some of the conditions these "illegals" are forced to
>endure?  Not very pleasant, huh?
>
>Less-than-principled members of corporate America illegally hire
>undocumented workers and pay them far below minimum wage to fatten the
>corporation's bottom line.  Could you imagine the financial burden these
>corporations would be forced to assume if these "illegals" were suddenly
>documented?  Wages?  Social Security?  Not to mention workers' 
>compensation.
>So, naturally, these corporations prefer "illegals" and bring them in by 
>the
>truckload.
>
>If you truly want to eliminate illegal migration, I suggest that you
>campaign against illegal hiring practices.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3
>sex offender."
>
>- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:51 PM
>To: thansen at moscow.com; godshatter at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq
>
>Tom,
>
>I always love the easy generalizations and excuses that many liberals spew.
>Such as ILLEGAL immigrants come over, BECAUSE of the EVIL corporations.
>
>Tom
>"By "legalizing" these "illegals" we close down the fiscal trough that's
>been
> >feeding these pork bellies and provide the new immigrants with a real 
>shot
> >at the dream that the corporate porksters lured them here with as they
> >are".
>
>Let us not forget of our policies that grant lower income people with free
>health care, education, and the idea of prosperity in the good ol USA.
>
>Sure we all know that corps. can and have taken advantage of illegals, but
>lets focus on the fact that we need to know who and why peoples can enter
>our country. not at a unmoderated rate that is taking place at a suicidal
>pace.
>
>Granted rights to ILLEGALS will only attract more.
>
>Matt
>
>
> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >To: "'Paul Rumelhart'" <godshatter at yahoo.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq
> >Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:50:00 -0700
> >
> >Exactly, Paul.
> >
> >"Illegals" cross the border into the US because that is where jobs
> >"a-plenty" are, jobs that pay less than minimum wage under the table by
> >corporations looking for cheap labor.
> >
> >If, as Mr. Crabtree implies, corporate America were on the up-and-up and
> >truly wanted to eliminate the blight of illegal immigration, don't you
> >think
> >they (corporate America) would have an organized special interest group
> >that
> >would make the gun lobby and tobacco industry pale in comparison?
> >
> >These "illegals" are nothing more than tax-exempt, non-reported,
> >cheaper-than-minimum wage labor to those less-than-principled members of
> >corporate America.
> >
> >By "legalizing" these "illegals" we close down the fiscal trough that's
> >been
> >feeding these pork bellies and provide the new immigrants with a real 
>shot
> >at the dream that the corporate porksters lured them here with as they 
>are
> >.
> >. .
> >
> >"Coming to America"
> >http://www.tomandrodna.com/America.mp3
> >
> >Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> >Tom Hansen
> >Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >"If I wanted to overhear every tedious scrap of brain static rattling
> >around
> >in your head, I'd read your blog."
> >
> >- Bill Maher
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
> >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:07 AM
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq
> >
> >As Keely mentions in a later post, there are strict laws in place about
> >what documentation is required for employment, and forms that need to be
> >filled out (I9s). One from column A or two from column B or whatever the
> >rules are. So I wouldn't call this making the small businessman
> >implement the solution, I'd call it having the small businessman follow
> >the existing laws.
> >
> >Believe me, I'm against a national ID card as much as you are. I don't
> >think we need one in this case, though. It's certainly possible to fake
> >a birth certificate or a drivers license or any of the other pieces of
> >identification that are required. However, when it comes time to send
> >the persons tax information to the Social Security Administration as an
> >employer it would become clear that this employee does not have a valid
> >SSN. This would put another burden on the small businessman again,
> >though. They would have to actually send this information in to the
> >government at tax time for these employees.
> >
> >I'm not convinced that these illegal immigrants are master forgers of
> >documents, though. My guess is that they are simply working "under the
> >table". They most likely get paid in cash, out of some fund that is set
> >aside for some other purpose. They don't give their employer any
> >documentation and the employer doesn't send anything on to the
> >government about them. The worker wins because they get what is to them
> >a large amount of money every week. It's a win for the employer, because
> >they can pay them peanuts and not even have to give them any benefits.
> >If the employer loses a substantial amount of money every time they get
> >caught, and if this amount of money is substantially larger than what
> >they would pay a documented employee with benefits for a year, and if
> >this were watched closely, then the employer would quickly learn that
> >it's in their best interest to follow the existing laws. Now, it's true
> >that this would cause prices to rise and hurt the small businessman who
> >is paying the workers under the table right now - but that's the cost of
> >following the laws. I don't have any pity for them when they get raided,
> >either. Find another business model. Nobody owes them a profit.
> >
> >However, if the employers are following the laws and the immigrants in
> >question are hoodwinking them with fake documents, then I'd say we've
> >got a problem. I imagine that's not the case that often, though.
> >However, I have no stats to back that up so I could easily be wrong.
> >
> >I mean, why are these people coming here, anyway? Aren't they escaping
> >tough situations in their home country? Don't they come over here to
> >work, mostly? I'm sure there are illegal immigrants that are part of the
> >criminal element, but the ones I hear about are picking apples or moving
> >boxes around for little money. Does anyone know what the rules are for a
> >Mexican citizen to legally immigrate? Perhaps we need to revise those a
> >bit, too.
> >
> >I just don't think it's cost effective to entice them to sneak over here
> >so some businesses can save a dime while at the same we are putting up
> >an expensive wall to (try to) keep them out.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >
> >
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