[Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!

Sat Jun 2 17:10:42 PDT 2007

Sue,

  I have to agree with Gary as being more historically accurate. The Spanish Inquisition did torture and kill many. However, the Inquisition did not blow up woman and children in random bomb attacks on villages. The Inquisition tortured people in the hopes of converting them to Catholicism and to control them. These radical fundamentalist Muslims are not interested in conversion, just annihilation of all people that don't believe as they. They have an evil and incorrect understanding of the teachings of Mohammad, the Koran, and Jihad. These confused souls that think they are followers of Mohammad really do give the majority of good Muslims a bad name. 

  Best,

  Donovan

Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
          No, you very specifically said, "At no point in history did The Church act in such a savage manner."  A later apology doesn't erase the historical act.  

  SH
    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: g. crabtree 
  To: Sue Hovey ; deb ; Carl Westberg ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 1:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!

    Sorry Ms. Hovey, I was quite awake and paying rapt attention. I'm not  saying the inquisition  wasn't a horror show but at least roving bands of blood thirsty Christians didn't hack you down in the middle of the street, or use children to blow up other children, or lob explosives into civilian neighborhoods, fly jumbo jets full of innocents into skyscrapers, the list goes on and on.

  The Church has apologized for the hideous behavior of the inquisition and the crusades, which occurred during the eleventh through the thirteenth century. Can you point out where the followers of Allah have done the same, considering that their reign of terror has run from its inception in 622 up through today?

  In the Sudan 1.3 million dead or in slavery in a country of 5 million for not  the crime of not being muslim. I could go on like this all afternoon.  I never said Mother Church had no blood on it's hands but "the religion of peace" is making it look like a rank amateur when it comes to the senseless slaughter of the innocent.

  g

    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sue Hovey 
  To: g. crabtree ; deb ; Carl Westberg ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!

  Gary...Quoting you, "At no point in history did The Church act in such a savage manner."  Obviously your history education took a detour around the Spanish Inquisition.  

  Sue 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: g. crabtree 
  To: deb ; Carl Westberg ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!

  Ms. Smith

  So what "facts" would you have had me attack? The fact that a small (in relation to the greater islamic community, large in overall numbers) group of blood thirsty fanatics will gleefully beat (or worse) a non-muslim to death at the drop of a hat for an offense so slight that Christians wouldn't think twice about it, much less perceive it as a mortal offense against their all powerful God? Can't do it. Also feel free to spare me the historical ignorance routine. At no point in history did The Church act in such a savage manner.

  As long as you're feeling meddlesome, you might as well point out exactly where I "attacked" Carl. Subsequent communication that I have had with him leads me to believe that he and I are cool with one another and that he did not consider himself personally attacked. Either way, Carl is a big boy and I'm sure if he has a problem with what I post he'll let me know, we'll discuss it, work it out, and part friends. Your mediation most assuredly won't be required.

  Lastly, I fail to see where you manage to follow your own sage advise and attack my facts and not me personally. Perhaps you should reach into your well stocked broom closet and sweep before yer own door prior to  taking on the burden of mine.

  g
  ----- Original Message -----   From: "deb" <debismith at moscow.com>
  To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>; "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!

> Gary, you need both a lesson in history and a lesson in manners. Sadly, 
> someone taught you neither.  Attack the facts, not the individual. If you 
> are running on empty, factually, just stop yourself.....
> Debi R-S
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
> To: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!
> 
> 
>> Carl, where would you feel more comfortable, cataloging and shelving
>> religious texts, at that nasty, intolerant bastion of ill will and 
>> bigotry,
>> Anselm House or the religious studies section of the library of Sand 
>> patch,
>> Northern Nigeria? (Kano) I'll bet big money I know the answer. I'll also 
>> bet
>> mega naira that should you find yourself working in the 297 section of Get
>> Me The Hell Out Of Here Library (popular nickname used by English speaking
>> non-Muslim employees) you'll be inordinately mindful about sudden bouts of
>> clumsiness. I'm also betting that exclamations of agnosticism probably 
>> won't
>> be met with a hey, no biggie response. Care to take me up on any of these
>> friendly wagers? Want to brush up on your book juggling skills first?
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>
>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!
>>
>>
>>> The repeated attempts by certain Christian folk to convince me that by 
>>> the
>>> mere fact of being Muslim, one is evil, makes me all the more convinced
>>> that
>>> to remain an agnostic who has Muslims and Christians in his circle of
>>> friends is the right choice.   Carl Westberg Jr.
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: heirdoug at netscape.net
>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!
>>>>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:46:20 -0400
>>>>
>>>>..."the students began shouting â?oAllahu Akbarâ? ... they vowed she 
>>>>must
>>>>pay with her life."
>>>>
>>>>"The students, incited to violence by the militant call to jihad,
>>>>banded together. Armed with knives and machetes, they started chasing
>>>>Oluwatoyin, who was said to have sought refuge in the school
>>>>principal's office. Breaking down the barriers, they made their way
>>>>into the office and dragged Oluwatoyin outside. To make this a public
>>>>and demoralising spectacle, they stripped her naked and began using the
>>>>knives and machetes on her body. Despite her pleas, the murderous
>>>>students eventually slaughtered her and threw her into the boot of her
>>>>own burning car."
>>>>
>>>>"Still not satisfied with enough jihad justice, they turned on the
>>>>principal Alhaji Mohammed Saidu, who tried to protect Oluwatoyin, and
>>>>beat him mercilessly. In their final rampage, they proceeded to burn
>>>>down the school clinic, the administrative block and the library."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Olwatoyin was 31 years old, married and had two little children.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like a religion of peace to me. How about it Nick? Sound like a
>>>>religion of peace to you?
>>>>
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