[Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq

Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Fri Jun 1 20:35:39 PDT 2007 

Paul,

Great points.

Matt


>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq
>Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:33:09 -0700
>
>..not responding to your comments to Nick necessarily, just illegal 
>immigration in general...
>
>It takes two to tango. They wouldn't be coming over here if there weren't 
>places they could work under the table. Slap those companies with harsh 
>fines when they are caught and the influx would at least slow down.
>
>I would suggest that more of our ancestors didn't come into the country 
>illegally because it is harder to swim the Atlantic Ocean than it is to 
>swim the Rio Grande.
>
>Paul
>
>Matt Decker wrote:
>>Nick,
>>
>>"Or is the only good illegal simply a dead illegal?"
>>
>>Wow ya have us evil coservatives paiged. Death to all "brownies".
>>
>>Or maybe just maybe, asking for people to abide by the rules like most of 
>>our ancestors, following the rules to gain entry into out great country, 
>>is what we thrive for. To establish a more thorough approach to "who" 
>>comes in and what good and bad they bring, is the more logical reasoning 
>>behind our racist minds. Maybe just maybe, trying to stop the easy access 
>>to drug traffic, high crime, terrorists that can easily come through "if" 
>>desired.
>>
>>But hey if your rocks get off by promoting all anti-conservative speals, 
>>toot your own horn at will.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>>
>>>From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq
>>>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:03:49 -0700
>>>
>>>Greetings:
>>>
>>>This article was posted on NewWest. Attached is a cartoon on the subject 
>>>"Weren't the Pilgrims (and many others) illegal immigrants?"
>>>
>>>Nick Gier
>>>
>>>Guest Commentary
>>>Is the Only Good Illegal a Dead Illegal?
>>>By Contributing Writer, 5-30-07
>>>
>>>I read Quang Pham’s article, “From Illegal to Immortal — Marine 
>>>Sgt. Rafael Peralta” regarding a program on the History Channel. To 
>>>encapsulate his story mercilessly, Sgt. Rafael Peralta was a Mexican 
>>>native who came to this country illegally and became a Marine. He made a 
>>>heroic and ultimate sacrifice in Falloujah, and his last act saved the 
>>>lives of many other Marines.
>>>
>>>For the record, though I was against the Iraq War from the beginning, I 
>>>honor Sgt. Peralta and all those who’ve sacrificed in service to our 
>>>country. But what interests me about this story is not the Iraq 
>>>connection or what Peralta did there per se, but rather the reaction to 
>>>the tale by conservatives in general, and especially those who vilify 
>>>illegal immigrants.
>>>
>>>That Peralta entered this country illegally is not in dispute. As noted 
>>>by Clemenseando and others, “Sgt. Peralta immigrated illegally to the 
>>>United States as a teenager…. In high school, he was approached by a 
>>>Marine recruiter who told him to get in touch once he cleared up his 
>>>legal status.”
>>>
>>>Note that Peralta came to the U.S. alone – without his parents.
>>>
>>>Assuming that illegal immigration foes would have only grudging 
>>>admiration for a war hero who entered this country illegally, I looked 
>>>around the web for disparaging or equivocal comments.
>>>
>>>I found none. The anti-illegal crowd and other conservatives have nothing 
>>>but praise for Peralta. What’s more, they’ve sanitized the story of 
>>>his immigration status.
>>>Raoul Lowery Contreras, author of The Illegal Alien: A Dagger into the 
>>>Heart of America? says “Peralta graduated from Morse High School, still 
>>>a Mexican citizen and worked to get his Permanent Resident Card, the 
>>>famous ‘Green Card’ so he could join the Marines.”
>>>
>>>Oliver North writes that Peralta was “a Mexican immigrant who enlisted 
>>>in the Marine Corps the day he received his green card.”
>>>
>>>Deborah at My Little Corner of the World, a blog whose motto is 
>>>“Calling an illegal alien an ‘undocumented immigrant’ is like 
>>>calling a drug dealer an ‘unlicensed pharmacist,’ ” quotes a Boston 
>>>Globe story that notes, “Rafael Peralta was 25 years old, a Mexican 
>>>immigrant from San Diego who had enlisted in the Marines as soon as he 
>>>became a legal resident. ”
>>>
>>>None of the press or blog reports tell precisely how Peralta got his 
>>>green card, but attorneys and former illegals relate that the way an 
>>>illegal alien “clears up” his or her legal status is by paying a 
>>>bunch of money to a licenciado or notario who bribes people to forge 
>>>papers and commit perjury, thereby constructing a false history that 
>>>allows one to fit into a particular green card category.
>>>
>>>Writers such as those above glide blissfully past this inconvenient 
>>>truth, saying Peralta “worked to get” his green card, or simply 
>>>“received” it, or somehow “became a legal resident.”
>>>
>>>What is this supposed to mean? Do some actually believe an undocumented 
>>>person can perform some sort of “work” that will eventually earn them 
>>>a green card? Do they think a green card will just show up in the mail if 
>>>a person stands by the mailbox long enough? Are Jose and Maria, who’ve 
>>>lived here illegally for 10 years, still illegal only because they 
>>>haven’t “worked” to “clear up” their status?
>>>
>>>Concomitantly, is the sin of having entered the country illegally 
>>>magically washed away once an immigrant figures out how to jump ahead of 
>>>everyone else to get a green card? Is the guilt of illegal entry and the 
>>>dishonesty required for an illegal to become legal absolved by a 
>>>demonstration of heroism?
>>>
>>>Or is the only good illegal simply a dead illegal?
>>>
>>>Gila Jones is a regular contributor to TheLiberalOC, an Orange County, 
>>>California blog.
>>
>>
>>><< PilgrimsIllegal.doc >>
>>
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