[Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq

Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
Fri Jun 1 19:46:47 PDT 2007 

Exactly, Paul.

As I had posted earlier concerning "Corporations and Patterns of Immigration" . . .

(See if you can identify the speaker)

http://tinyurl.com/2rxrfr

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

“Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3 sex offender.”

- Dale “Comb-Over” Courtney (August 3, 2005)

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:33 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq

..not responding to your comments to Nick necessarily, just illegal 
immigration in general...

It takes two to tango. They wouldn't be coming over here if there 
weren't places they could work under the table. Slap those companies 
with harsh fines when they are caught and the influx would at least slow 
down.

I would suggest that more of our ancestors didn't come into the country 
illegally because it is harder to swim the Atlantic Ocean than it is to 
swim the Rio Grande.

Paul

Matt Decker wrote:
> Nick,
>
> "Or is the only good illegal simply a dead illegal?"
>
> Wow ya have us evil coservatives paiged. Death to all "brownies".
>
> Or maybe just maybe, asking for people to abide by the rules like most 
> of our ancestors, following the rules to gain entry into out great 
> country, is what we thrive for. To establish a more thorough approach 
> to "who" comes in and what good and bad they bring, is the more 
> logical reasoning behind our racist minds. Maybe just maybe, trying to 
> stop the easy access to drug traffic, high crime, terrorists that can 
> easily come through "if" desired.
>
> But hey if your rocks get off by promoting all anti-conservative 
> speals, toot your own horn at will.
>
> Matt
>
>
>> From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq
>> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:03:49 -0700
>>
>> Greetings:
>>
>> This article was posted on NewWest. Attached is a cartoon on the 
>> subject "Weren't the Pilgrims (and many others) illegal immigrants?"
>>
>> Nick Gier
>>
>> Guest Commentary
>> Is the Only Good Illegal a Dead Illegal?
>> By Contributing Writer, 5-30-07
>>
>> I read Quang Pham’s article, “From Illegal to Immortal — Marine 
>> Sgt. Rafael Peralta” regarding a program on the History Channel. To 
>> encapsulate his story mercilessly, Sgt. Rafael Peralta was a Mexican 
>> native who came to this country illegally and became a Marine. He 
>> made a heroic and ultimate sacrifice in Falloujah, and his last act 
>> saved the lives of many other Marines.
>>
>> For the record, though I was against the Iraq War from the beginning, 
>> I honor Sgt. Peralta and all those who’ve sacrificed in service to 
>> our country. But what interests me about this story is not the Iraq 
>> connection or what Peralta did there per se, but rather the reaction 
>> to the tale by conservatives in general, and especially those who 
>> vilify illegal immigrants.
>>
>> That Peralta entered this country illegally is not in dispute. As 
>> noted by Clemenseando and others, “Sgt. Peralta immigrated 
>> illegally to the United States as a teenager…. In high school, he 
>> was approached by a Marine recruiter who told him to get in touch 
>> once he cleared up his legal status.”
>>
>> Note that Peralta came to the U.S. alone – without his parents.
>>
>> Assuming that illegal immigration foes would have only grudging 
>> admiration for a war hero who entered this country illegally, I 
>> looked around the web for disparaging or equivocal comments.
>>
>> I found none. The anti-illegal crowd and other conservatives have 
>> nothing but praise for Peralta. What’s more, they’ve sanitized 
>> the story of his immigration status.
>> Raoul Lowery Contreras, author of The Illegal Alien: A Dagger into 
>> the Heart of America? says “Peralta graduated from Morse High 
>> School, still a Mexican citizen and worked to get his Permanent 
>> Resident Card, the famous ‘Green Card’ so he could join the 
>> Marines.”
>>
>> Oliver North writes that Peralta was “a Mexican immigrant who 
>> enlisted in the Marine Corps the day he received his green card.”
>>
>> Deborah at My Little Corner of the World, a blog whose motto is 
>> “Calling an illegal alien an ‘undocumented immigrant’ is like 
>> calling a drug dealer an ‘unlicensed pharmacist,’ ” quotes a 
>> Boston Globe story that notes, “Rafael Peralta was 25 years old, a 
>> Mexican immigrant from San Diego who had enlisted in the Marines as 
>> soon as he became a legal resident. ”
>>
>> None of the press or blog reports tell precisely how Peralta got his 
>> green card, but attorneys and former illegals relate that the way an 
>> illegal alien “clears up” his or her legal status is by paying a 
>> bunch of money to a licenciado or notario who bribes people to forge 
>> papers and commit perjury, thereby constructing a false history that 
>> allows one to fit into a particular green card category.
>>
>> Writers such as those above glide blissfully past this inconvenient 
>> truth, saying Peralta “worked to get” his green card, or simply 
>> “received” it, or somehow “became a legal resident.”
>>
>> What is this supposed to mean? Do some actually believe an 
>> undocumented person can perform some sort of “work” that will 
>> eventually earn them a green card? Do they think a green card will 
>> just show up in the mail if a person stands by the mailbox long 
>> enough? Are Jose and Maria, who’ve lived here illegally for 10 
>> years, still illegal only because they haven’t “worked” to 
>> “clear up” their status?
>>
>> Concomitantly, is the sin of having entered the country illegally 
>> magically washed away once an immigrant figures out how to jump ahead 
>> of everyone else to get a green card? Is the guilt of illegal entry 
>> and the dishonesty required for an illegal to become legal absolved 
>> by a demonstration of heroism?
>>
>> Or is the only good illegal simply a dead illegal?
>>
>> Gila Jones is a regular contributor to TheLiberalOC, an Orange 
>> County, California blog.
>
>
>> << PilgrimsIllegal.doc >>
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