[Vision2020] Holy cr*p, Schwaller! [was School District Math]

Fri Jun 1 13:06:16 PDT 2007

G-ster :

It’s nice to see that your knowledge of pop music is sharper than your
knowledge of history.

David Essex’s . . .

“Rock On”

http://www.tomandrodna.com/Songs/Rock_On.mp3

leaves only one question:

“Where do we go from here

Which is the way that's clear?”

And don’t think that I’ve forgotten about you, Dodalnat Wilcourson (formerly
in the role of Glenn “Swallerin’ Squalor” Schwaller).  This song goes out to
all of you and all you’ve done.

 <javascript:ol('http://tinyurl.com/3272rp');> http://tinyurl.com/3272rp

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007) 

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:48 PM
To: keely emerinemix; Joe Campbell
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holy cr*p, Schwaller! [was School District Math]

Ms. Mix.

Bang a gong, you know my song,  & you're not wrong (in this isolated
instance, unless you were attributing your closing line to Bolen. It was
actually David Essex)

G. Brontosaurous

----- Original Message ----- 

From: keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>  

To: Joe Campbell <mailto:joekc at adelphia.net>  ; g. crabtree
<mailto:jampot at adelphia.net>  

Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 

Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:45 AM

Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Holy cr*p, Schwaller! [was School District Math]

In rereading Gary's original invitation, with his remarks that Joe and I
were like teens courting a prancing rock star, let me just state for the
record that I never once suggested that Glenn Schwaller was really the
fabulous Marc Bolan of T. Rex fame -- known for his magnificent locks and
sequined leather pants.  

Which, whether regarding Marc Bolan or Glenn Schwaller (or Joe or Gary), is
a bit more than I want to contemplate before I've had my coffee . . . 

Rock on, ooooh, my soul.

keely

> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:47:03 -0700
> From: joekc at adelphia.net
> To: jampot at adelphia.net
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holy cr*p, Schwaller! [was School District Math]
> 
> Gary,
> 
> I guess I'm still missing the point. Do you think that I'm J. Ford or one
of the other "ladies," as you call them? Is the insinuation that someone who
would use a false name, like your friend Dr. Schwaller, is a "lady" or a
coward?
> 
> In any event, once you round up the "ladies" please come down to the One
World Cafe and I'll by you a cup of $1 coffee and we can talk. Even if no
one comes, stop by and we'll talk about what you really did mean to say
since it still isn't very clear to me. Remember, I'm only there from noon to
1 pm. I'll be wearing a black hat that says "HP."
> 
> Best, Joe
> 
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote: 
> 
> =============
> Interesting that you zeroed in on the least important part of my party
invitation and completely missed the point. Oh well, why should this time be
any different from all the others
> 
> I'll notify the ladies that the mixer that was to occur after I shared
with them my unique expertise on all things that is me is off due to your
abrupt schedule change. They'll be crushed. That or perhaps Wayne knows two
fellas who are less than 101 years of age that can part with their walkers
long enough for a turn about the dance floor?
> 
> Don't worry "J" and not so silent "Bob" I'll see to it you get a name on
your dance card before the summers over. Don't despair!
> 
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holy cr*p, Schwaller! [was School District Math]
> 
> 
> > Dr. Crabtree,
> > 
> > I'm very offended! Do you think I would hang out at a place that sold
beer for $5? How much do you think philosophers make? $1 with your own mug
and $1.25 otherwise.
> > 
> > Dr. Schwaller would be a big laugh, indeed, if it weren't for the fact
that he's got otherwise good and intelligent people like your self
completely fooled.
> > 
> > Dr. Schwaller: If you're reading this, I can only be at the One World
for an hour tomorrow -- from noon to 1 pm -- for I have to meet with a
student in Pullman at 1:30. This shouldn’t be a problem since you don’t
exist.
> > 
> > Final note to Crabtree: Nearly all of your posts make the same point: A
is a hypocrite because he says X about B even though X applies equally to C
and A has said nothing about C!
> > 
> > I've point out a few times that this is a lousy argument. There is not
enough time in the day to criticize everyone, so we have to pick carefully.
For instance, a lot of people have criticized Schwaller but so far you’ve
only replied to Keely and me. Try to get another argument, just for the
summer. Please.
> > 
> > --
> > Joe Campbell
> > 
> > ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote: 
> > 
> > =============
> > Mr. Campbell,
> > 
> > Where are you and Ms. Mix's manners? You two have been courting
Schwaller as 
> > though he were a prancing rock star and totally ignoring the other 
> > purportedly anonymous contributors to our little list. Just imagine how
left 
> > out poor T. Scimitar, P.Place, B. Herodotus, and last but mostly least
J. 
> > Ford must feel. You should both know how hurtful it is to see the pretty

> > girls be asked to the cotillion but the *others* have to stay home
sobbing 
> > into their little satin pillows for lack of that oh so important
invitation. 
> > In an attempt to make amends I demand that all the afore mentioned
ladies 
> > appear front and center in New St. Andrews square tomorrow at 12:00 to 
> > answer for various comments made on this forum with which I disagree and
to 
> > receive instruction from me in proper deportment and decorum from a
pleasing 
> > gcrabtree perspective. When we are finished we will march in an orderly 
> > fashion down to the One World (& $5.00) Coffee Joint Mr. Schaller and
his 
> > instructor for Dancing and "Atmosphere." Should you refuse to show up
(as 
> > I'm certain you will) I too will discontinue "conversations with you
about 
> > social or philosophical issues on Vision 2020." I can but imagine how 
> > copiously the tears will flow at that point.
> > 
> > If you find my demeanor pompous and my demands unreasonable or even 
> > ridiculous...
> > 
> > g
> > 
> > P.S. Mr. Fox if you should happen to read this admonition and invitation
it 
> > will be apparent that we need one more spry male to even up the dance 
> > partners. If you know of one please send him on down.
> > 
> > g
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:11 PM
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Holy cr*p, Schwaller! [was School District Math]
> > 
> > 
> >> Holy cr*p, Doug!
> >>
> >> 1/ I didn’t quote anything out of context. People can judge for 
> >> themselves. You are just throwing out your holy-than-thou cr*p in an 
> >> attempt to justify using the “Venom 2020” tag for another year and I 
> >> called you on it.
> >>
> >> Note to readers: “25 cents now, 1.5 million dollars later” is about as 
> >> illogical of an example of the slippery-slope fallacy as you are likely
to 
> >> find!
> >>
> >> 2/ Of course you won’t meet with me, Doug, because “Glenn Schwaller”
does 
> >> not exist and if you did meet with me that would prove it.
> >>
> >> You say that I want to meet with you so that you can “Prove to me
you're 
> >> not Doug Wilson” but that is not the reason. I want to meet with you 
> >> because your posts are long on wind and short on logic and I think that
I 
> >> might be able to help if you just gave me a few minutes of your time. I
am 
> >> nothing if not sincere. I have no reason to lie. It is my actual name 
> >> below and my own reputation at stake. (Perhaps your friends are too
afraid 
> >> to tell you when you've gone too far but I am not.)
> >>
> >> 3/ A few more clarifications to your rampant, harmful rhetoric: I do
not 
> >> think that you are Doug Wilson and I never called you ‘Doug Wilson.’
Nor 
> >> did I call you a coward. You seem to have a problem with details. You
tend 
> >> to regard all of those you hate as if they were one person. I believe
that 
> >> “Glenn Schwaller” is four different guys, two of whom are named ‘Doug.’
I’m 
> >> playing the odds and directing this post to someone of that name.
> >>
> >> Nor have I said anything about the Weitz lawsuit. In fact, I agree that

> >> vocational training should be adopted by the MSD and I’m sad that by
using 
> >> extortion as the means to justify his end, Dr. Weitz has caused an 
> >> important set back toward reaching that end. And I’m not alone on this 
> >> view.
> >>
> >> 4/ I have no intention of continuing conversations with you about
social 
> >> or philosophical issues on Vision 2020. If you want me to listen to
you, 
> >> you have to meet me face-to-face. Again, I realize this puts you in a 
> >> spot, seeing how you don’t exist, but (a) I spent a lot of time
preparing 
> >> a post that critiqued your views on abortion, which you simply ignored,

> >> and (b) your posts are so long-winded and illogical that it pains me to

> >> read them. I’d rather meet you face-to-face, so that I can point out
the 
> >> fallacies as they go and spare the Vision 2020 readers further
long-winded 
> >> posts of my own.
> >>
> >> I’ll be at the One World Café from noon to 2 pm tomorrow. Doug Farris,
who 
> >> I actually like, imagines that I’m simply waiting for you. I know you
won’t 
> >> show but I have plenty of work to do and I enjoy the atmosphere.
> >>
> >> All the best, Joe
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Mr Campbell,
> >>
> >> There seems to be a pattern in this venue to select a key point or
> >> phrase in a post and present it out of context. I'm probalby guilty
> >> of that as well, but I attempt to avoid doing so purposefully. That
> >> pattern seems a bit illogical to me, but hey, I haven't been teaching
> >> logic for 25 years . . .
> >>
> >> You seemed to have missed or neglected I mentioned in my post that,
> >> yes - it IS only 25 cents. To refresh your memory let me quote from
> >> that post:
> >>
> >> " Well, 25 cents now, 1.5 million dollars later. It's not the
> >> case-in-point incident that is so nefarious; it's the precedent it
> >> sets that can be damaging."
> >>
> >> This is the very issue those who support / agree with / UNDERSTAND /
> >> defend Dr Weitze's case are arguing. Others have written more
> >> succinctly than I on that topic and I will not belabor it further.
> >>
> >> I beliveve I have explained how I know so much about Mr Sitler. I was
> >> reluctant to do so because I was quite certain of the firestorm it
> >> would produce and the associated accusations / name-calling /
> >> "illogical" jumps to conclusions which did indeed happen. And, as I
> >> suspected, it turned out to be something many of you did not want to
> >> hear, even after BEGGING me to tell you. That seems a bit illogical
> >> to me as well.
> >>
> >> I don't know how long NSA has been downtown because, well, I don't
> >> know. I could look it up I suppose, but I didn't think it necessary.
> >>
> >> Against my better judgement, I was not going to address this (it
> >> struck me as the geek who stole your prom date being called out by the
> >> high-school bully) but I shall: I have chosen NOT to meet with you
> >> because, quite simply, I see no purpose in doing so. Your primary
> >> motive seems to be "Prove to me you're not Doug Wilson. Or Steven
> >> Sitler. Or Rush Limbaugh. Or the anti-Christ." Where is the logic
> >> in that? I could perhaps send a ringer in my place. Are you going to
> >> ask to see my driver's license? My birth certificate? My green card?
> >> Pinkie swear?
> >>
> >> You may call me a coward if you wish. Better yet point your finger
> >> and say "See! I told you so! This proves my point!" After doing so,
> >> I would suggest you go dust off that introductory logic text and do a
> >> bit more reading. Maybe I should meet with you if for no other reason
> >> than to give you several copies (you may distribute them to your
> >> friends) of my favorite bumper sticker:
> >>
> >> Don't Confuse Me With Facts - My Mind Is Made Up
> >>
> >> That being said, for the record:
> >>
> >> 1. I am NOT Doug Wilson. I've never met Doug Wilson
> >> 2. I am NOT affiliated in any way with NSA, Christ Church, Logos
> >> School nor anything that (as far as I know) is tied to those
> >> institutions. I do, however, frequent Bucers.
> >> 3. I am NOT Steven Sitler, (I'm not sure if he's allowed to go inot
> >> Bucers . . .) nor a friend nor family member.
> >> 4. I don't know "where in the public record one may confirm that I
> >> have "worked for several months with Mr Sitler and other sex offenders
> >> in our area." The names of Mr. Sitler's doctors, counselors, and
> >> therapists are matters of public record." However, public records are
> >> not all-inclusive.
> >> 5. I'm not even Gerald Weitz
> >>
> >> Schwaller
> >>
> >>
> >>
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