[Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed Jul 25 11:38:05 PDT 2007


Yes
-----Original message-----
From: Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:18:13 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com,  "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul

> Thanks for the frank answer, Roger. So would you 
> support eliminating price supports for wheat in 
> the Farm Bill now being drafted in Congress?
> 
> Mark
> 
> At 11:11 AM -0700 7/25/07, lfalen wrote:
> >Mark
> >In most cases I do not favor agricultural 
> >subsidies.  The beef industry  has never wanted 
> >them. Some however have taken advantage of hay 
> >subsidies. A lot of dairymen think that they 
> >would be better off without milk price supports. 
> >I think that paying farmers to not grow 
> >something is ridiculous. I don't think much of 
> >corporate subsidies (welfare) either. In some 
> >isolated cases they may be warranted, but 
> >usually not.
> >Roger
> >-----Original message-----
> >From: Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
> >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:06:40 -0700
> >To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com,  "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
> >
> >>  Roger,
> >>
> >>  One person's subsidy is another person's good
> >>  national policy. How about agricultural price
> >>  supports, specifically, U.S. wheat?
> >>
> >>  Mark
> >>
> >>  At 10:13 AM -0700 7/24/07, lfalen wrote:
> >>  >You are right about The UN Security Council. I
> >>  >am on the fence about NAFTA. I favor
> >>  >international trade with sufficient safe guards
> >>  >as to health and safety. In general I do not
> >>  >like tariffs and subsidies. If however some
> >>  >foreign products are subsidized by the country
> >>  >that produces them, it is only fair that a
> >>  >tariff be placed on their entry into the US.
> >>  >Tariffs or subsidies should only be used to keep
> >>  >things in balance.
> >>  >Roger
> >>  >-----Original message-----
> >>  >From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> >>  >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:30:27 -0700
> >>  >To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>  >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
> >>  >
> >>  >>  Roger et. al.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  If you think giving the UN more authority is a mistake, then what do you
> >>  >>  think about the WTO and NAFTA?  The WTO as 
> >>an organization and NAFTA as a
> >>  >>  trade agreement are both criticized by anti-globalization critics as
> >>  >>  lessening national sovereignty, but serving the interests of the
> >>  >>  multinational corporations and the class of super rich.  Even Ross Perot
> >>  >>  during his presidential run mentioned the 
> >>"sucking sound" of jobs lost to
> >>  >>  Mexico under NAFTA.  The promises that 
> >>NAFTA would open up a big market for
> >>  >>  US products in Mexico has proven so far to 
> >>be false.  It was thought that
> >>  >>  NAFTA would help solve the illegal 
> >>immigration problem by furthering good
> >>  >>  paying jobs in Mexico, but we know this is 
> >>so far not greatly true. Now they
> >>  >>  are planning a super highway from Mexico into the USA, potentially with
> >>  >>  Mexican trucks and drivers taking over some of the US trucking industry!
> >>  >>  Read about it at the link below:
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  WTO rules and agreements that do not 
> >>protect food safety in reality (maybe
> >>  >>  on paper) are one reason we have unsafe imports coming into the US, if I
> >>  >>  have my facts straight.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Anyway, it has been hoped the UN would help to stop war, genocide and
> >>  >>  improve human rights, but the Security Council is one road block to this
> >>  >>  goal.  I understand that China's Security 
> >>Council vote has blocked efforts
> >>  >>  to address the genocide in Darfur  China has oil interests in the Sudan.
> >>  >>  Read about this at this link:
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21143-2004Dec22.html
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  A stronger UN might help to stop war and 
> >>genocide...But the potential for
> >>  >>  abuse of this power is a matter of concern.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Ted Moffett
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  On 7/23/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  > Ted
> >>  >>  > I think that much of what you say is 
> >>correct. But giving more authority to
> >>  >>  > a world body like the United Nations 
> >>would make matters worse not better.
> >>  >>  > Other than for The Security Council 
> >>third world nations have an equal  to
> >  > >>  > that of the US.  This would not improve 
> >health or environmental problems.
> >>  >>  > The FDA and EPA should be strengthened 
> >>The safety of all products coming
> >>  >>  > into the US should be assured. I believe 
> >>business should be based on the
> >>  >>  > profit motive, with adequate government 
> >>restrictions to insure safety and
> >>  >>  > environmental concerns .
> >>  >>  > Roger
> >>  >>  > -----Original message-----
> >>  >>  > From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> >>  >>  > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:33:07 -0700
> >>  >>  > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>  >>  > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  > > On 7/21/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > >  Having said that it is important to realize we live in a global
> >>  >>  > society
> >>  >>  > > > and market place. We have to be willing to compete in the global
> >>  >>  > market.
> >>  >>  > > > Just do not place our laws second to anything else.
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > There are very problematic and apparently mutually exclusive rules
> >>  >>  > governing
> >>  >>  > > competing for profit in a global 
> >>marketplace and not placing our laws
> >>  >>  > second
> >>  >  > > > to anything else.  Getting rid of trade barriers and government
> >>  >>  > regulation
> >>  >>  > > of business has been promoted as a benefit to most all in an open
> >>  >>  > worldwide
> >>  >>  > > economy.
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > But the profit motive as a overriding rasion d'etre in the
> >>  >>  > > global economy with multinational 
> >>corporations, will inexorably result
> >>  >>  > in a
> >>  >>  > > disregard for some fundamental US 
> >>domestic interests, US workers' wages
> >>  >>  > and
> >>  >>  > > jobs, safety and environmental law (Bush's "Clear Skies Act." Orwell
> >>  >>  > would
> >>  >>  > > love it!), if not the US Constitution, etc.
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > How can US domestic businesses compete 
> >>with businesses in nations with
> >>  >>  > few
> >>  >>  > > if any environmental or safety laws, without pressure to lower our
> >>  >>  > standards
> >>  >>  > > that add costs to business?  The EPA has lost power under the Bush
> >>  >>  > > administration:
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Objections to Bush's "Clear Skies Act" from the National Council of
> >>  >>  > > Churches:
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > http://www.ncccusa.org/news/04bushonair.html
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Protection of the global climate is an essential requirement for
> >>  >>  > faithful
> >>  >>  > > human stewardship of God's creation on 
> >>Earth. Our own National Academy
> >>  >>  > of
> >>  >>  > > Sciences --- joining an overwhelming 
> >>scientific consensus --- concluded
> >>  >>  > in
> >>  >>  > > 2001 that carbon emissions from power plants are significantly
> >>  >>  > contributing
> >>  >>  > > to the increase in global warming. 
> >>Yet, your initiative pointedly does
> >>  >>  > not
> >>  >>  > > set mandatory standards of reduction for these emissions. A
> >>  >>  > multi-pollutant
> >>  >>  > > approach must address all significant emissions from power plants,
> >>  >>  > including
> >>  >>  > > carbon emissions.
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Clean air is as essential to life as a stable climate. Yet the
> >>  >>  > Environmental
> >>  >>  > > Protection Agency reports that 
> >>millions of Americans live in areas that
> >>  >>  > have
> >>  >>  > > been deemed unhealthy to breathe. 
> >>Power plants are the single greatest
> >>  >>  > > source of industrial air pollution in the nation. The American Lung
> >>  >>  > > Association asserts that the 
> >>attainment of reductions of sulfur dioxide,
> >>  >>  > > nitrogen oxides, and mercury that 
> >>would take effect under the existing
> >>  >>  > Clean
> >>  >>  > > Air Act will be delayed for years if "Clear Skies" is adopted by
> >>  >>  > Congress.
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > ---------------------
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > It is becoming increasing hard to separate what is an exclusively
> >>  >>  > domestic
> >>  >>  > > interest from an international one.
> >>  >>  > > For example, are US citizens expendable as warriors to protect the
> >>  >>  > > multinational economic system under 
> >>the guise that they are protecting
> >>  >>  > US
> >>  >>  > > citizens from attacks on our soil? 
> >>The oil in the Middle East is not
> >>  >>  > being
> >>  >>  > > protected by our military just for US current or future
> >  > >>  > consumption.  Access
> >>  >>  > > to this oil is critical to keeping the multinational economic system
> >>  >>  > > functioning.  It is argued that keeping this system functioning and
> >>  >>  > > expanding is critical for US economic 
> >>benefits, but at a cost to whom?
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Ron Paul comments on the "elites" hypocritical pandering to the
> >>  >>  > "American
> >>  >>  > > way" should be at the top of the list of political ruses for
> >>  >>  > politicians.
> >>  >>  > > -----------------------------------------
> >>  >>  > > Consider one issue that has been in 
> >>the news recently, food safety.  How
> >>  >>  > can
> >>  >>  > > we allow free trade with other nations who may not follow our food
> >>  >>  > safety
> >>  >>  > > and testing standards without placing 
> >>our laws second?  The answer is we
> >>  >>  > > can't, not without very creative 
> >>legislation that violates the spirit of
> >>  >>  > the
> >>  >>  > > food safety laws.  It's one thing to have standards in place, but
> >>  >>  > without
> >>  >>  > > the rigorous testing to enforce the 
> >>laws, food safety is in name only:
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > U.S. food imports outrun FDA resources
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2007-03-18-food-safety-usat_N.htm
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > "The FDA has so few resources, all it 
> >>can do is target high-risk things,
> >>  >>  > > give a pass to everything else and hope it is OK," says William
> >>  >>  > Hubbard,a
> >>  >>  > > former FDA associate commissioner who retired in 2005."The public
> >>  >>  > probably
> >>  >>  > > has the perception ä that they're more 
> >>protected than they really are."
> >>  >  > > > --------------------
> >>  >>  > > Regarding another hot button issue that seems to defy political
> >>  >>  > > partisanship, US jobs and wages, both so called liberals and
> >>  >>  > conservatives
> >>  >>  > > raise questions about the loss of good paying jobs to cheap foreign
> >>  >>  > labor,
> >>  >>  > > replaced by lower paying jobs.  Of course the business and financial
> >>  >>  > > "elites" that Ron Paul references pursue the cheapest labor they can
> >>  >>  > find,
> >>  >>  > > anywhere in the world.  If profit is 
> >>their primary goal in competing in
> >>  >>  > > business, they'd be a fool not to.  And even if they tried to show
> >>  >>  > patriotic
> >>  >>  > > loyalty to US workers by maintaining good paying US jobs, their less
> >>  >>  > > scrupulous competitors would force them out of business.
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > This story at the web link below is about cheap imported labor from
> >>  >>  > India
> >>  >>  > > into Dubai.  And a Dubai company was going to take over US port
> >>  >>  > security?  I
> >>  >>  > > don't know of any egregious current 
> >>examples in the US like this, but
> >>  >>  > there
> >>  >>  > > is good data regarding lowering of 
> >>wages in some professions, or loss of
> >>  >>  > the
> >>  >>  > > whole manufacturing base in some 
> >>sectors, in the USA, from the influx of
> >>  >>  > > cheap "illegal immigrant" labor, and/or the moving of factories and
> >>  >>  > > businesses that take advantage of 
> >>cheap abundant labor in other nations:
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>http://news.aol.com/story/_a/dubai-skyscraper-becomes-worlds-tallest/20070721134709990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Most of the 4,000 laborers are from India.
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Toiling in slave-like conditions in 
> >>Dubai's sizzling summer with no set
> >>  >>  > > minimum wage and working in three shifts around the clock, they are
> >>  >>  > building
> >>  >>  > > the $1 billion skyscraper in the heart of Downtown Dubai, a 500-acre
> >>  >>  > > development project worth $20 billion.
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Protests against labor abuse in Dubai 
> >>are regularly recorded by human
> >>  >>  > rights
> >>  >>  > > groups but are rarely reported in local press. However, it's a
> >>  >>  > prevailing
> >>  >>  > > belief the workers are happy with 
> >>whatever pitiful salary they get to
> >>  >>  > send
> >>  >>  > > home to dirt-poor families in India.
> >>  >>  > > --------------
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > "...it's a prevailing belief the workers are happy..."
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Sounds like the old south...Or a certain local religious leader...
> >>  >>  > > -------------------
> >>  >>  > > Simulation and hyper reality indeed!
> >  > >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Politicians who are bought by the 
> >>multinational economic system, wear
> >>  >>  > the
> >>  >>  > > flag and salute!  They simulate patriotism so well it is taken for
> >>  >>  > reality,
> >>  >>  > > and the media delivers their patriotic 
> >>holograms to float in peoples'
> >>  >>  > homes
> >>  >>  > > on their high definition wide screen monitors.
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > It is just as Baudrillard contends, if 
> >>I can stretch his thinking onto
> >>  >>  > the
> >>  >>  > > Procrustean bed of this theme... The simulation of patriotism for a
> >>  >>  > strong
> >>  >>  > > and independent nation, via modern 
> >>media and tactics of advertising and
> >>  >>  > > marketing, public opinion surveying 
> >>and focus groups, is projected and
> >>  >>  > > respected, while the real empire (the 
> >>USA as a separate and sovereign
> >>  >>  > > nation) is being undermined...Highly sophisticated psycho/social
> >>  >>  > > psychoanalytic methods are now applied 
> >>with full force to the selling of
> >>  >>  > > politicians.  Image is all.  How else 
> >>could Bush have won two elections
> >>  >>  > for
> >>  >>  > > president?
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Globalism will win in the end...And US 
> >>patriots will have holograms of
> >>  >>  > the
> >>  >>  > > once sovereign and proud USA beamed 
> >>into their compounds for "correct
> >>  >>  > think"
> >>  >>  > > sessions...
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > > Ted Moffett
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  > >
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>
> >>
> 
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