[Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul

Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
Wed Jul 25 11:18:13 PDT 2007


Thanks for the frank answer, Roger. So would you 
support eliminating price supports for wheat in 
the Farm Bill now being drafted in Congress?

Mark

At 11:11 AM -0700 7/25/07, lfalen wrote:
>Mark
>In most cases I do not favor agricultural 
>subsidies.  The beef industry  has never wanted 
>them. Some however have taken advantage of hay 
>subsidies. A lot of dairymen think that they 
>would be better off without milk price supports. 
>I think that paying farmers to not grow 
>something is ridiculous. I don't think much of 
>corporate subsidies (welfare) either. In some 
>isolated cases they may be warranted, but 
>usually not.
>Roger
>-----Original message-----
>From: Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:06:40 -0700
>To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com,  "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
>
>>  Roger,
>>
>>  One person's subsidy is another person's good
>>  national policy. How about agricultural price
>>  supports, specifically, U.S. wheat?
>>
>>  Mark
>>
>>  At 10:13 AM -0700 7/24/07, lfalen wrote:
>>  >You are right about The UN Security Council. I
>>  >am on the fence about NAFTA. I favor
>>  >international trade with sufficient safe guards
>>  >as to health and safety. In general I do not
>>  >like tariffs and subsidies. If however some
>>  >foreign products are subsidized by the country
>>  >that produces them, it is only fair that a
>>  >tariff be placed on their entry into the US.
>>  >Tariffs or subsidies should only be used to keep
>>  >things in balance.
>>  >Roger
>>  >-----Original message-----
>>  >From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
>>  >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:30:27 -0700
>>  >To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
>>  >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
>>  >
>>  >>  Roger et. al.
>>  >>
>>  >>  If you think giving the UN more authority is a mistake, then what do you
>>  >>  think about the WTO and NAFTA?  The WTO as 
>>an organization and NAFTA as a
>>  >>  trade agreement are both criticized by anti-globalization critics as
>>  >>  lessening national sovereignty, but serving the interests of the
>>  >>  multinational corporations and the class of super rich.  Even Ross Perot
>>  >>  during his presidential run mentioned the 
>>"sucking sound" of jobs lost to
>>  >>  Mexico under NAFTA.  The promises that 
>>NAFTA would open up a big market for
>>  >>  US products in Mexico has proven so far to 
>>be false.  It was thought that
>>  >>  NAFTA would help solve the illegal 
>>immigration problem by furthering good
>>  >>  paying jobs in Mexico, but we know this is 
>>so far not greatly true. Now they
>>  >>  are planning a super highway from Mexico into the USA, potentially with
>>  >>  Mexican trucks and drivers taking over some of the US trucking industry!
>>  >>  Read about it at the link below:
>>  >>
>>  >>  http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497
>>  >>
>>  >>  WTO rules and agreements that do not 
>>protect food safety in reality (maybe
>>  >>  on paper) are one reason we have unsafe imports coming into the US, if I
>>  >>  have my facts straight.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Anyway, it has been hoped the UN would help to stop war, genocide and
>>  >>  improve human rights, but the Security Council is one road block to this
>>  >>  goal.  I understand that China's Security 
>>Council vote has blocked efforts
>>  >>  to address the genocide in Darfur  China has oil interests in the Sudan.
>>  >>  Read about this at this link:
>>  >>
>>  >>  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21143-2004Dec22.html
>>  >>
>>  >>  A stronger UN might help to stop war and 
>>genocide...But the potential for
>>  >>  abuse of this power is a matter of concern.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Ted Moffett
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>  On 7/23/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > Ted
>>  >>  > I think that much of what you say is 
>>correct. But giving more authority to
>>  >>  > a world body like the United Nations 
>>would make matters worse not better.
>>  >>  > Other than for The Security Council 
>>third world nations have an equal  to
>  > >>  > that of the US.  This would not improve 
>health or environmental problems.
>>  >>  > The FDA and EPA should be strengthened 
>>The safety of all products coming
>>  >>  > into the US should be assured. I believe 
>>business should be based on the
>>  >>  > profit motive, with adequate government 
>>restrictions to insure safety and
>>  >>  > environmental concerns .
>>  >>  > Roger
>>  >>  > -----Original message-----
>>  >>  > From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
>>  >>  > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:33:07 -0700
>>  >>  > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
>>  >>  > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > > On 7/21/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > >  Having said that it is important to realize we live in a global
>>  >>  > society
>>  >>  > > > and market place. We have to be willing to compete in the global
>>  >>  > market.
>>  >>  > > > Just do not place our laws second to anything else.
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > There are very problematic and apparently mutually exclusive rules
>>  >>  > governing
>>  >>  > > competing for profit in a global 
>>marketplace and not placing our laws
>>  >>  > second
>>  >  > > > to anything else.  Getting rid of trade barriers and government
>>  >>  > regulation
>>  >>  > > of business has been promoted as a benefit to most all in an open
>>  >>  > worldwide
>>  >>  > > economy.
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > But the profit motive as a overriding rasion d'etre in the
>>  >>  > > global economy with multinational 
>>corporations, will inexorably result
>>  >>  > in a
>>  >>  > > disregard for some fundamental US 
>>domestic interests, US workers' wages
>>  >>  > and
>>  >>  > > jobs, safety and environmental law (Bush's "Clear Skies Act." Orwell
>>  >>  > would
>>  >>  > > love it!), if not the US Constitution, etc.
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > How can US domestic businesses compete 
>>with businesses in nations with
>>  >>  > few
>>  >>  > > if any environmental or safety laws, without pressure to lower our
>>  >>  > standards
>>  >>  > > that add costs to business?  The EPA has lost power under the Bush
>>  >>  > > administration:
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Objections to Bush's "Clear Skies Act" from the National Council of
>>  >>  > > Churches:
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > http://www.ncccusa.org/news/04bushonair.html
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Protection of the global climate is an essential requirement for
>>  >>  > faithful
>>  >>  > > human stewardship of God's creation on 
>>Earth. Our own National Academy
>>  >>  > of
>>  >>  > > Sciences --- joining an overwhelming 
>>scientific consensus --- concluded
>>  >>  > in
>>  >>  > > 2001 that carbon emissions from power plants are significantly
>>  >>  > contributing
>>  >>  > > to the increase in global warming. 
>>Yet, your initiative pointedly does
>>  >>  > not
>>  >>  > > set mandatory standards of reduction for these emissions. A
>>  >>  > multi-pollutant
>>  >>  > > approach must address all significant emissions from power plants,
>>  >>  > including
>>  >>  > > carbon emissions.
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Clean air is as essential to life as a stable climate. Yet the
>>  >>  > Environmental
>>  >>  > > Protection Agency reports that 
>>millions of Americans live in areas that
>>  >>  > have
>>  >>  > > been deemed unhealthy to breathe. 
>>Power plants are the single greatest
>>  >>  > > source of industrial air pollution in the nation. The American Lung
>>  >>  > > Association asserts that the 
>>attainment of reductions of sulfur dioxide,
>>  >>  > > nitrogen oxides, and mercury that 
>>would take effect under the existing
>>  >>  > Clean
>>  >>  > > Air Act will be delayed for years if "Clear Skies" is adopted by
>>  >>  > Congress.
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > ---------------------
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > It is becoming increasing hard to separate what is an exclusively
>>  >>  > domestic
>>  >>  > > interest from an international one.
>>  >>  > > For example, are US citizens expendable as warriors to protect the
>>  >>  > > multinational economic system under 
>>the guise that they are protecting
>>  >>  > US
>>  >>  > > citizens from attacks on our soil? 
>>The oil in the Middle East is not
>>  >>  > being
>>  >>  > > protected by our military just for US current or future
>  > >>  > consumption.  Access
>>  >>  > > to this oil is critical to keeping the multinational economic system
>>  >>  > > functioning.  It is argued that keeping this system functioning and
>>  >>  > > expanding is critical for US economic 
>>benefits, but at a cost to whom?
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Ron Paul comments on the "elites" hypocritical pandering to the
>>  >>  > "American
>>  >>  > > way" should be at the top of the list of political ruses for
>>  >>  > politicians.
>>  >>  > > -----------------------------------------
>>  >>  > > Consider one issue that has been in 
>>the news recently, food safety.  How
>>  >>  > can
>>  >>  > > we allow free trade with other nations who may not follow our food
>>  >>  > safety
>>  >>  > > and testing standards without placing 
>>our laws second?  The answer is we
>>  >>  > > can't, not without very creative 
>>legislation that violates the spirit of
>>  >>  > the
>>  >>  > > food safety laws.  It's one thing to have standards in place, but
>>  >>  > without
>>  >>  > > the rigorous testing to enforce the 
>>laws, food safety is in name only:
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > U.S. food imports outrun FDA resources
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  >
>>  >>http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2007-03-18-food-safety-usat_N.htm
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > "The FDA has so few resources, all it 
>>can do is target high-risk things,
>>  >>  > > give a pass to everything else and hope it is OK," says William
>>  >>  > Hubbard,a
>>  >>  > > former FDA associate commissioner who retired in 2005."The public
>>  >>  > probably
>>  >>  > > has the perception ä that they're more 
>>protected than they really are."
>>  >  > > > --------------------
>>  >>  > > Regarding another hot button issue that seems to defy political
>>  >>  > > partisanship, US jobs and wages, both so called liberals and
>>  >>  > conservatives
>>  >>  > > raise questions about the loss of good paying jobs to cheap foreign
>>  >>  > labor,
>>  >>  > > replaced by lower paying jobs.  Of course the business and financial
>>  >>  > > "elites" that Ron Paul references pursue the cheapest labor they can
>>  >>  > find,
>>  >>  > > anywhere in the world.  If profit is 
>>their primary goal in competing in
>>  >>  > > business, they'd be a fool not to.  And even if they tried to show
>>  >>  > patriotic
>>  >>  > > loyalty to US workers by maintaining good paying US jobs, their less
>>  >>  > > scrupulous competitors would force them out of business.
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > This story at the web link below is about cheap imported labor from
>>  >>  > India
>>  >>  > > into Dubai.  And a Dubai company was going to take over US port
>>  >>  > security?  I
>>  >>  > > don't know of any egregious current 
>>examples in the US like this, but
>>  >>  > there
>>  >>  > > is good data regarding lowering of 
>>wages in some professions, or loss of
>>  >>  > the
>>  >>  > > whole manufacturing base in some 
>>sectors, in the USA, from the influx of
>>  >>  > > cheap "illegal immigrant" labor, and/or the moving of factories and
>>  >>  > > businesses that take advantage of 
>>cheap abundant labor in other nations:
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  >
>>  >>http://news.aol.com/story/_a/dubai-skyscraper-becomes-worlds-tallest/20070721134709990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Most of the 4,000 laborers are from India.
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Toiling in slave-like conditions in 
>>Dubai's sizzling summer with no set
>>  >>  > > minimum wage and working in three shifts around the clock, they are
>>  >>  > building
>>  >>  > > the $1 billion skyscraper in the heart of Downtown Dubai, a 500-acre
>>  >>  > > development project worth $20 billion.
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Protests against labor abuse in Dubai 
>>are regularly recorded by human
>>  >>  > rights
>>  >>  > > groups but are rarely reported in local press. However, it's a
>>  >>  > prevailing
>>  >>  > > belief the workers are happy with 
>>whatever pitiful salary they get to
>>  >>  > send
>>  >>  > > home to dirt-poor families in India.
>>  >>  > > --------------
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > "...it's a prevailing belief the workers are happy..."
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Sounds like the old south...Or a certain local religious leader...
>>  >>  > > -------------------
>>  >>  > > Simulation and hyper reality indeed!
>  > >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Politicians who are bought by the 
>>multinational economic system, wear
>>  >>  > the
>>  >>  > > flag and salute!  They simulate patriotism so well it is taken for
>>  >>  > reality,
>>  >>  > > and the media delivers their patriotic 
>>holograms to float in peoples'
>>  >>  > homes
>>  >>  > > on their high definition wide screen monitors.
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > It is just as Baudrillard contends, if 
>>I can stretch his thinking onto
>>  >>  > the
>>  >>  > > Procrustean bed of this theme... The simulation of patriotism for a
>>  >>  > strong
>>  >>  > > and independent nation, via modern 
>>media and tactics of advertising and
>>  >>  > > marketing, public opinion surveying 
>>and focus groups, is projected and
>>  >>  > > respected, while the real empire (the 
>>USA as a separate and sovereign
>>  >>  > > nation) is being undermined...Highly sophisticated psycho/social
>>  >>  > > psychoanalytic methods are now applied 
>>with full force to the selling of
>>  >>  > > politicians.  Image is all.  How else 
>>could Bush have won two elections
>>  >>  > for
>>  >>  > > president?
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Globalism will win in the end...And US 
>>patriots will have holograms of
>>  >>  > the
>>  >>  > > once sovereign and proud USA beamed 
>>into their compounds for "correct
>>  >>  > think"
>>  >>  > > sessions...
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > > Ted Moffett
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  > >
>>  >>  >
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>
>>
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