[Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed Jul 25 11:11:10 PDT 2007
Mark
In most cases I do not favor agricultural subsidies. The beef industry has never wanted them. Some however have taken advantage of hay subsidies. A lot of dairymen think that they would be better off without milk price supports. I think that paying farmers to not grow something is ridiculous. I don't think much of corporate subsidies (welfare) either. In some isolated cases they may be warranted, but usually not.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:06:40 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
> Roger,
>
> One person's subsidy is another person's good
> national policy. How about agricultural price
> supports, specifically, U.S. wheat?
>
> Mark
>
> At 10:13 AM -0700 7/24/07, lfalen wrote:
> >You are right about The UN Security Council. I
> >am on the fence about NAFTA. I favor
> >international trade with sufficient safe guards
> >as to health and safety. In general I do not
> >like tariffs and subsidies. If however some
> >foreign products are subsidized by the country
> >that produces them, it is only fair that a
> >tariff be placed on their entry into the US.
> >Tariffs or subsidies should only be used to keep
> >things in balance.
> >Roger
> >-----Original message-----
> >From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:30:27 -0700
> >To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
> >
> >> Roger et. al.
> >>
> >> If you think giving the UN more authority is a mistake, then what do you
> >> think about the WTO and NAFTA? The WTO as an organization and NAFTA as a
> >> trade agreement are both criticized by anti-globalization critics as
> >> lessening national sovereignty, but serving the interests of the
> >> multinational corporations and the class of super rich. Even Ross Perot
> >> during his presidential run mentioned the "sucking sound" of jobs lost to
> >> Mexico under NAFTA. The promises that NAFTA would open up a big market for
> >> US products in Mexico has proven so far to be false. It was thought that
> >> NAFTA would help solve the illegal immigration problem by furthering good
> >> paying jobs in Mexico, but we know this is so far not greatly true. Now they
> >> are planning a super highway from Mexico into the USA, potentially with
> >> Mexican trucks and drivers taking over some of the US trucking industry!
> >> Read about it at the link below:
> >>
> >> http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497
> >>
> >> WTO rules and agreements that do not protect food safety in reality (maybe
> >> on paper) are one reason we have unsafe imports coming into the US, if I
> >> have my facts straight.
> >>
> >> Anyway, it has been hoped the UN would help to stop war, genocide and
> >> improve human rights, but the Security Council is one road block to this
> >> goal. I understand that China's Security Council vote has blocked efforts
> >> to address the genocide in Darfur China has oil interests in the Sudan.
> >> Read about this at this link:
> >>
> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21143-2004Dec22.html
> >>
> >> A stronger UN might help to stop war and genocide...But the potential for
> >> abuse of this power is a matter of concern.
> >>
> >> Ted Moffett
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/23/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ted
> >> > I think that much of what you say is correct. But giving more authority to
> >> > a world body like the United Nations would make matters worse not better.
> >> > Other than for The Security Council third world nations have an equal to
> >> > that of the US. This would not improve health or environmental problems.
> >> > The FDA and EPA should be strengthened The safety of all products coming
> >> > into the US should be assured. I believe business should be based on the
> >> > profit motive, with adequate government restrictions to insure safety and
> >> > environmental concerns .
> >> > Roger
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> >> > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:33:07 -0700
> >> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
> >> >
> >> > > On 7/21/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Having said that it is important to realize we live in a global
> >> > society
> >> > > > and market place. We have to be willing to compete in the global
> >> > market.
> >> > > > Just do not place our laws second to anything else.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > There are very problematic and apparently mutually exclusive rules
> >> > governing
> >> > > competing for profit in a global marketplace and not placing our laws
> >> > second
> > > > > to anything else. Getting rid of trade barriers and government
> >> > regulation
> >> > > of business has been promoted as a benefit to most all in an open
> >> > worldwide
> >> > > economy.
> >> > >
> >> > > But the profit motive as a overriding rasion d'etre in the
> >> > > global economy with multinational corporations, will inexorably result
> >> > in a
> >> > > disregard for some fundamental US domestic interests, US workers' wages
> >> > and
> >> > > jobs, safety and environmental law (Bush's "Clear Skies Act." Orwell
> >> > would
> >> > > love it!), if not the US Constitution, etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > How can US domestic businesses compete with businesses in nations with
> >> > few
> >> > > if any environmental or safety laws, without pressure to lower our
> >> > standards
> >> > > that add costs to business? The EPA has lost power under the Bush
> >> > > administration:
> >> > >
> >> > > Objections to Bush's "Clear Skies Act" from the National Council of
> >> > > Churches:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.ncccusa.org/news/04bushonair.html
> >> > >
> >> > > Protection of the global climate is an essential requirement for
> >> > faithful
> >> > > human stewardship of God's creation on Earth. Our own National Academy
> >> > of
> >> > > Sciences --- joining an overwhelming scientific consensus --- concluded
> >> > in
> >> > > 2001 that carbon emissions from power plants are significantly
> >> > contributing
> >> > > to the increase in global warming. Yet, your initiative pointedly does
> >> > not
> >> > > set mandatory standards of reduction for these emissions. A
> >> > multi-pollutant
> >> > > approach must address all significant emissions from power plants,
> >> > including
> >> > > carbon emissions.
> >> > >
> >> > > Clean air is as essential to life as a stable climate. Yet the
> >> > Environmental
> >> > > Protection Agency reports that millions of Americans live in areas that
> >> > have
> >> > > been deemed unhealthy to breathe. Power plants are the single greatest
> >> > > source of industrial air pollution in the nation. The American Lung
> >> > > Association asserts that the attainment of reductions of sulfur dioxide,
> >> > > nitrogen oxides, and mercury that would take effect under the existing
> >> > Clean
> >> > > Air Act will be delayed for years if "Clear Skies" is adopted by
> >> > Congress.
> >> > >
> >> > > ---------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > It is becoming increasing hard to separate what is an exclusively
> >> > domestic
> >> > > interest from an international one.
> >> > > For example, are US citizens expendable as warriors to protect the
> >> > > multinational economic system under the guise that they are protecting
> >> > US
> >> > > citizens from attacks on our soil? The oil in the Middle East is not
> >> > being
> >> > > protected by our military just for US current or future
> >> > consumption. Access
> >> > > to this oil is critical to keeping the multinational economic system
> >> > > functioning. It is argued that keeping this system functioning and
> >> > > expanding is critical for US economic benefits, but at a cost to whom?
> >> > >
> >> > > Ron Paul comments on the "elites" hypocritical pandering to the
> >> > "American
> >> > > way" should be at the top of the list of political ruses for
> >> > politicians.
> >> > > -----------------------------------------
> >> > > Consider one issue that has been in the news recently, food safety. How
> >> > can
> >> > > we allow free trade with other nations who may not follow our food
> >> > safety
> >> > > and testing standards without placing our laws second? The answer is we
> >> > > can't, not without very creative legislation that violates the spirit of
> >> > the
> >> > > food safety laws. It's one thing to have standards in place, but
> >> > without
> >> > > the rigorous testing to enforce the laws, food safety is in name only:
> >> > >
> >> > > U.S. food imports outrun FDA resources
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2007-03-18-food-safety-usat_N.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > "The FDA has so few resources, all it can do is target high-risk things,
> >> > > give a pass to everything else and hope it is OK," says William
> >> > Hubbard,a
> >> > > former FDA associate commissioner who retired in 2005."The public
> >> > probably
> >> > > has the perception Š that they're more protected than they really are."
> > > > > --------------------
> >> > > Regarding another hot button issue that seems to defy political
> >> > > partisanship, US jobs and wages, both so called liberals and
> >> > conservatives
> >> > > raise questions about the loss of good paying jobs to cheap foreign
> >> > labor,
> >> > > replaced by lower paying jobs. Of course the business and financial
> >> > > "elites" that Ron Paul references pursue the cheapest labor they can
> >> > find,
> >> > > anywhere in the world. If profit is their primary goal in competing in
> >> > > business, they'd be a fool not to. And even if they tried to show
> >> > patriotic
> >> > > loyalty to US workers by maintaining good paying US jobs, their less
> >> > > scrupulous competitors would force them out of business.
> >> > >
> >> > > This story at the web link below is about cheap imported labor from
> >> > India
> >> > > into Dubai. And a Dubai company was going to take over US port
> >> > security? I
> >> > > don't know of any egregious current examples in the US like this, but
> >> > there
> >> > > is good data regarding lowering of wages in some professions, or loss of
> >> > the
> >> > > whole manufacturing base in some sectors, in the USA, from the influx of
> >> > > cheap "illegal immigrant" labor, and/or the moving of factories and
> >> > > businesses that take advantage of cheap abundant labor in other nations:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>http://news.aol.com/story/_a/dubai-skyscraper-becomes-worlds-tallest/20070721134709990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Most of the 4,000 laborers are from India.
> >> > >
> >> > > Toiling in slave-like conditions in Dubai's sizzling summer with no set
> >> > > minimum wage and working in three shifts around the clock, they are
> >> > building
> >> > > the $1 billion skyscraper in the heart of Downtown Dubai, a 500-acre
> >> > > development project worth $20 billion.
> >> > >
> >> > > Protests against labor abuse in Dubai are regularly recorded by human
> >> > rights
> >> > > groups but are rarely reported in local press. However, it's a
> >> > prevailing
> >> > > belief the workers are happy with whatever pitiful salary they get to
> >> > send
> >> > > home to dirt-poor families in India.
> >> > > --------------
> >> > >
> >> > > "...it's a prevailing belief the workers are happy..."
> >> > >
> >> > > Sounds like the old south...Or a certain local religious leader...
> >> > > -------------------
> >> > > Simulation and hyper reality indeed!
> >> > >
> >> > > Politicians who are bought by the multinational economic system, wear
> >> > the
> >> > > flag and salute! They simulate patriotism so well it is taken for
> >> > reality,
> >> > > and the media delivers their patriotic holograms to float in peoples'
> >> > homes
> >> > > on their high definition wide screen monitors.
> >> > >
> >> > > It is just as Baudrillard contends, if I can stretch his thinking onto
> >> > the
> >> > > Procrustean bed of this theme... The simulation of patriotism for a
> >> > strong
> >> > > and independent nation, via modern media and tactics of advertising and
> >> > > marketing, public opinion surveying and focus groups, is projected and
> >> > > respected, while the real empire (the USA as a separate and sovereign
> >> > > nation) is being undermined...Highly sophisticated psycho/social
> >> > > psychoanalytic methods are now applied with full force to the selling of
> >> > > politicians. Image is all. How else could Bush have won two elections
> >> > for
> >> > > president?
> >> > >
> >> > > Globalism will win in the end...And US patriots will have holograms of
> >> > the
> >> > > once sovereign and proud USA beamed into their compounds for "correct
> >> > think"
> >> > > sessions...
> >> > >
> >> > > Ted Moffett
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
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