[Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul

Sun Jul 22 14:26:51 PDT 2007

Carl,

  It also makes him an accomplice to a tragedy and the greatest military blunder since Vietnam. I for one think it is horrible policy and a waste of American lives for our country to constantly enter and exit countries based on the 25% of the American public that changes its mind every couple of years.

  Sending troops in there and then after thousands die for nothing and say, "Oops, lets come back home before we are done. ", is not what is good for this country or our national interests.  

  Best,

  Donovan

Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com> wrote:
  Donovan, I don't know if Tom supported the war at the outset or not. And I 
don't care. You are among those who opposed it from the beginning. Bully 
for you. But IF Tom supported it at first, and now opposes it, it makes him 
only one of legions of Americans who have done the same. Carl Westberg Jr.

>From: Donovan Arnold 
>To: Tom Hansen , "'Andreas Schou'" 
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:20:51 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hansen,
>
> Bush's response was not a knee jerk reaction to terrorism. The war on 
>Iraq for controlling the Middle East, murdering Saddam, the Patriot Act, 
>invasion plans of Afghanistan, $1 billion in insurance on building 7 hit by 
>the attacks, and other plans were designed and ready to be implemented 
>months before 9/11. How can this be? I will let you decide.
>
> Not all Americans were blindly sucked into supporting Bush and his power 
>grab and war while you were castigating anyone that opposed the plan as 
>anti-patriotic and spouting it was an all volunteer army. Some of us saw it 
>for what it was. But now we are stuck with what you supported. We cannot 
>change the past, and we are now stuck in Iraq for decades for better or 
>worse.
>
> If Congress wanted to end the war today, it has the constitutional 
>authority to make it happen.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
>Tom Hansen wrote:
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> Arnold –
>
> Although not an “officially declared” war, Bush “declared” war on terror 
>as a knee-jerk response to 9/11. Exploiting the American people’s 
>patriotism following that attack, President Bush signed into effect the 
>Patriot Act (H.R. 3162 dated October 21, 2001) which expanded President 
>Bush’s executive powers virtually limitlessly.
>
> http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html
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> In effect we are at war against terror. Hey, I didn’t vote for him.
>
> Congress and the American people have been fighting the Patriot Act ever 
>since.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college 
>students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>
>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
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> From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:21 AM
>To: Tom Hansen; 'Andreas Schou'
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
>
>
> The US Constitution gives the House control over the budget and 
>ability to control war. The President cannot legally have troops overseas 
>for more than 90 days without declaration of war or approval of Congress.
>
>
>
> Congress doesn't need an appropriations bill passed to change that. It 
>can simply vote with a simple majority vote to either cut funding to the 
>military or order the troops back. The Democratic controlled Congress has 
>not done that.
>
>
>
> 75% of the population wants to end the war, NOW. Yet Congress is not 
>acting on that public demand. There must be a reason why.
>
>
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> US troops will still be in Iraq in 2008 and 2009. They are simple 
>giving you lip service and stalling. Our troop numbers might be reduced in 
>the near future, but we are staying in Iraq, our national security depends 
>on it.
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>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Donovan
>
>Tom Hansen wrote:
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> Arnold, Arnold, Arnold –
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>
>
> If you have been following the news this past month or so, you would 
>have realized (like all of the rest of us have) that Congress IS refusing 
>to finance the war any further than September (or is it November?).
>
>
>
> Congress’ refusal to further finance Bush’s war is what gave birth to 
>Bush’s claim that Congress refuses to provide a sizeable pay hike for the 
>military, which is tied into the budget for Bush’s war. It is all tied 
>into the budget for fiscal year ’08. If Congress refuses to pass the FY08 
>budget, as written, (which, for all intents and purposes, it intends to 
>do), finances for Bush’s war run extremely shallow and the military does 
>not get its much needed pay raise.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college 
>students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>
>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
>
>
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
>Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:14 AM
>To: Andreas Schou
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Essay on Globalism by Ron Paul
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> Andreas,
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> If Congress really wanted to end the war all they have to do is not 
>fund it. It requires 60% in the Senate and majority vote in the House to 
>continue to fund the operations. US House, which controls the purse 
>strings, could end the war tomorrow by voting to cut it off.
>
>
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>
>
> They instead are trying to shift the ending of the war to the Senate 
>intentionally in a way that does not impact funding, which is harder to do 
>politically, they know that.
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> One or two senators could potentially block a bill in the Senate or 
>at least slow it way down. It is difficult to pass legislation.
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> When I was in the ASUI Senate, I use to slow down appointments to 
>paid positions that were made to buddies of other elected officials. I 
>wanted people that were best for the job, not someone getting a check 
>because they helped their frat buddy with campaigning. Today, appointments 
>now have to go through a process that screens out individuals not 
>qualified, but it was not that way when I was in, the victor went the 
>spoils and ASUI paychecks.
>
>
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> There is a whole host of motions and parliamentary procedures, 
>filibustering, and other tactics a senator can use to slow down or disrupt 
>legislation. Two senators can place huge road blocks in the way of 
>legislation they really disagree with. If a committee chair can also wage 
>more havoc as well.
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> Best,
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> Donovan
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>Andreas Schou wrote:
>
>
> On 7/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> > The reason the US Senate is stalling on the withdraw of troops from Iraq 
>is
> > because it knows two things;
> >
> > 1) That the people that voted for them what an end to the war now and 
>what
> > the troops back home.
> >
> > and
> >
> > 2) That if the US withdraws troops from Iraq it would have negative
> > repercussions and that it vital to US interests to keep troops there.
>
>Donovan --
>
>The US Senate is failing to end the war because a withdrawal requires
>a 60-vote majority to break a Republican filibuster (which they have
>done every time it has come to a vote) and a 66-vote majority to break
>a Bush veto threat. In the House of Representatives, where party unity
>and the number of defectors needed is higher, breaking a Bush veto is
>almost impossible, given the tiny Democratic majority.
>
>Thus the Republicans hold us in an unwinnable morass for yet another year.
>
>-- ACS
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