[Vision2020] campaign contributions

Thu Jul 19 19:09:10 PDT 2007

Dan,

  Anyone can run, yes. But remember, you didn't win. And isn't interesting that the ones that win generally speaking, either have money, or are running in the name of a big political machine. Might I also point out, that if you own your own home in Moscow, you are wealthier than more than over 60% of the people in the city. 

  Best,

  Donovan

Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com> wrote:
  Ah, a message from fellow retired millionaire Kit Craine!

DC

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Craine Kit
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:51 AM
To: Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions

Dan,

When did you retire? Did you resign from the Fire Department? Did you 
inherit a couple million? Have I missed something?

Kit Craine

On Jul 18, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:

> Dan,
>
> It does cost a lot of money to run and win a political office.
> Political offices pay very little, if anything, and for those of us 
> that have to work for a living, political office is not really an 
> option. Even when I was going to school and serving in student 
> government I could not work another job because I just didn't have 
> the time to be able to do both.
>
> I knew of students in ASUI and the Graduate and Professional
> Student Association that just could not contribute because they 
> didn't have the money to donate that large of a chunk of time away 
> from work and family.
>
> Political offices are for the wealthy and those with lots of free
> time. The average person cannot participate.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> Dan Carscallen wrote:
> Donovan Arnold,
>
> It doesn’t cost that much money, and if you have good ideas that
> people agree with, they will contribute to your campaign.
>
> If anything, it just takes a bit of fortitude.
>
> DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-
> bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:04 PM
> To: Tom Ivie; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
>
> Tom Ivie,
>
> It costs money to run for office.
>
> Best.
>
> Donovan
>
>
> Tom Ivie wrote:
> Donovan,
> If you are so disenchanted with the school board and
> administration, why not run for the board seat the next time your 
> area has an opening? You do know that it is a thankless job with 
> no pay, sometimes requiring attention equivalent to a full-time job?
>
> Donovan Arnold wrote:
> Keely,
>
> Of course you wouldn't. And certainly explains why you squandered
> an opportunity to do something positive with your previous 
> position. The MSD administration has failed the students. Many 
> children succeed despite that failure to be given what they deserve 
> by MSD. And your fail to recognize that, in part, is why MSD is 
> being sued, why it is having to shut down programs and not rehire 
> teachers this year, and why it just makes excuses and blames others 
> for why they cannot fix problems with the system.
>
> Winners and successful administrations don't give laundry lists of
> why they are unsuccessful and cannot provide what others are under 
> the same conditions. They make laundry lists of how to overcome 
> those problems and then implement them.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> keely emerinemix wrote:
> Donovan, I have never, nor would I, begin or end an argument about
> MSD with the phrase "they failed."
>
> They didn't. They don't.
>
> keely
>
> "And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/ 
> Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what
> they're going through"
> (With apologies to David Bowie)
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:40:03 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Keely's argument is that they failed because it was the fault of
> the state and federal government. Of course why they failed and 
> other school administrations under the same federal and state 
> government restrictions have not is yet to be explained?
>
> Boise High School is ranked in the top 100 high schools in the
> nation. How are they able to provide a lower tax rate, meet the 
> same federal and state regulations and succeed under the 
> dictatorially anti-education government? Why is Boise, and other 
> Idaho schools so successful and Moscow failing to provide?
>
> I don't think anyone is asking for a miracle, they are just asking
> for accountability and honesty. Something I think this 
> administration is seriously lacking. Moscow is the "Berkley of 
> Idaho." It is suppose to be the brain trust of the state. It has 
> more Mom's with PhDs per capita than any other city in the county. 
> Yet it cannot beat Boise in primary and secondary education? We 
> know that Moscow has every advantage possible, more money per 
> pupil, college educated parents, and a great environment. Yet it is 
> far out paced by Boise. Why is this?
>
> Keely says it is because of a factor, state and federal
> regulations, that every other school has to implement as well. I 
> say it is because of the MSD Administration that is looking out for 
> some teachers, politicians, and themselves over the welfare of the 
> students.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
>
>
> keely emerinemix wrote:
> Of course, if MSD had "worked things out" with Gerry Weitz, and
> presumably, then, with every other stakeholder who has had 
> suggestions or concerns about the educational programming offered 
> by the District, it would have to then reconcile those ideas, 
> meritorious though they may be, with those pesky State and Federal 
> programming and curriculum requirements, which, while often 
> difficult to enact, have that MANDATE thing attached to them.
>
> Seeing that PUBLIC EDUCATION is funded by taxpayers and regulated
> by the State and, more than it should be, the Federal Government, 
> it would seem that attempts to craft a program offering a little of 
> this and a little of that and quite a bit more of the other is 
> appropriate for private schools, who only answer to paying 
> parents. Public schools, however, are in the unenviable position 
> of having to answer to the State and the Feds as well as the 
> taxpayers. They're bound by law, by strict state and Federal 
> guidelines, by funding (both by legislative fiat and by appeals to 
> voters) and by facilities.
>
> Believe it or not, Donovan, this is not a case of Candis Donicht
> and a maverick school board deliberately deciding to annoy Gerry 
> Weitz, and neither is it a result of a concentrated effort to 
> ignore certain students. On the other hand, if you're willing to 
> believe that the current and former board members and current 
> administration are all demons incarnate, you won't be persuaded by 
> reality -- the same reality the rest of the world has to work with.
>
> keely
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/ 
> Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what
> they're going through"
> (With apologies to David Bowie)
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:09:57 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
>
>
> Joe Campbell wrote:
>
> "What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have worked 
> out with Weitz? And for what reason?"
>
> I think they should have worked out better funding of vocational
> education and to reduce discrimination against non-college bound 
> students. And for the reason of being fair and ensuring that public 
> education provides equal benefit to all students as well as 
> providing the students with some job related skills so they can be 
> gainfully employed when they graduate high school.
>
> Joe also writes:
>
> "I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a
> teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count." Thank 
> God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or 
> else we'd all be unable to comment! "
>
> You are incorrect here on three accounts. First, we all breath, so
> breathing would be an equal bias on all people, thus not making it 
> a bias. Second, you would be the only person in education to state 
> that being a teacher has not impacted their way of thinking. Third, 
> and final, since you are philosophy teacher, you're biased in 
> thinking that everyone can be a philosophy teacher rather than 
> understanding standing some people want to be welders, carpenters, 
> constructionists, nurses, drafters, operators, truckers, and 
> machinists,--occupations that actually produce public wealth, not 
> drain from it.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
> Joe Campbell wrote:
> Donovan writes: "It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to work 
> with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image 
> that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do 
> with the size of the gap differences in opinion."
>
> What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have 
> worked out with Weitz? And for what reason?
>
> The merit of Weitzâ€™s lawsuit has not yet been decided. Even the 
> decision by the Deputy Attorney General, which Weitz and others 
> keep circulating, states that the law is ambiguous and subject to 
> two distinct interpretations, one of which is consistent with the 
> MSD's actions. There is absolutely no reason for the MSD to work 
> out a deal with Weitz, either before the election, or at the 
> current moment. To do so would have been, or would be, 
> irresponsible. The problem lies with the law, not with the MSD -- 
> and this is true even if Weitz wins since that decision would set 
> the legal precedent.
>
> I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a 
> teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count."
>
> Thank God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to 
> life or else we'd all be unable to comment!
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donovan Arnold
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
> To: Shirley Ringo , vision2020 at moscow.com
> Message-ID: <981907.401.qm at web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Shirley,
>
> You are without a doubt the best current legislature from Latah, 
> and certainly have the most integrity of the three. But I am unable 
> to find any vote you cast since 1999 which was in opposition to the 
> MSD or IEA agenda or stated positions. If such disagreements exist 
> between you and MSD and the IEA as you stated, please be so kind as 
> to point out a few for us.
>
> I am glad you are able to work out differences with the MSD before 
> taking them to court. It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to 
> work with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would 
> image that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to 
> do with the size of the gap differences in opinion.
>
> Again, I would like to hear to what differences between the MSD and 
> yourself that you have worked out on behave of the people you 
> represent.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
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