<DIV>Dan,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone can run, yes. But remember, you didn't win. And isn't interesting that the ones that win generally speaking, either have money, or are running in the name of a big political machine. Might I also point out, that if you own your own home in Moscow, you are wealthier than more than over 60% of the people in the city. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Dan Carscallen <areaman@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Ah, a message from fellow retired millionaire Kit Craine!<BR><BR>DC<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<BR>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of Craine Kit<BR>Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:51 AM<BR>To: Vision 2020<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions<BR><BR><BR>Dan,<BR><BR>When did you
retire? Did you resign from the Fire Department? Did you <BR>inherit a couple million? Have I missed something?<BR><BR>Kit Craine<BR><BR>On Jul 18, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR><BR>> Dan,<BR>><BR>> It does cost a lot of money to run and win a political office.<BR>> Political offices pay very little, if anything, and for those of us <BR>> that have to work for a living, political office is not really an <BR>> option. Even when I was going to school and serving in student <BR>> government I could not work another job because I just didn't have <BR>> the time to be able to do both.<BR>><BR>> I knew of students in ASUI and the Graduate and Professional<BR>> Student Association that just could not contribute because they <BR>> didn't have the money to donate that large of a chunk of time away <BR>> from work and family.<BR>><BR>> Political offices are for the wealthy and those with lots of free<BR>> time. The average
person cannot participate.<BR>><BR>> Best,<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Dan Carscallen <AREAMAN@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR>> Donovan Arnold,<BR>><BR>> It doesn’t cost that much money, and if you have good ideas that<BR>> people agree with, they will contribute to your campaign.<BR>><BR>> If anything, it just takes a bit of fortitude.<BR>><BR>> DC<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-<BR>> bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:04 PM<BR>> To: Tom Ivie; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions<BR>><BR>> Tom Ivie,<BR>><BR>> It costs money to run for office.<BR>><BR>> Best.<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>> Tom Ivie <THE_IVIES3@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> Donovan,<BR>> If you are so disenchanted with the school board and<BR>>
administration, why not run for the board seat the next time your <BR>> area has an opening? You do know that it is a thankless job with <BR>> no pay, sometimes requiring attention equivalent to a full-time job?<BR>><BR>> Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> Keely,<BR>><BR>> Of course you wouldn't. And certainly explains why you squandered<BR>> an opportunity to do something positive with your previous <BR>> position. The MSD administration has failed the students. Many <BR>> children succeed despite that failure to be given what they deserve <BR>> by MSD. And your fail to recognize that, in part, is why MSD is <BR>> being sued, why it is having to shut down programs and not rehire <BR>> teachers this year, and why it just makes excuses and blames others <BR>> for why they cannot fix problems with the system.<BR>><BR>> Winners and successful administrations don't give laundry lists of<BR>> why they are
unsuccessful and cannot provide what others are under <BR>> the same conditions. They make laundry lists of how to overcome <BR>> those problems and then implement them.<BR>><BR>> Best,<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> keely emerinemix <KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM>wrote:<BR>> Donovan, I have never, nor would I, begin or end an argument about<BR>> MSD with the phrase "they failed."<BR>><BR>> They didn't. They don't.<BR>><BR>> keely<BR>><BR>> "And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/ <BR>> Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what<BR>> they're going through"<BR>> (With apologies to David Bowie)<BR>><BR>> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:40:03 -0700<BR>> From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] campaign contributions<BR>> To: kjajmix1@msn.com; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Keely's argument is that they failed because it was the fault
of<BR>> the state and federal government. Of course why they failed and <BR>> other school administrations under the same federal and state <BR>> government restrictions have not is yet to be explained?<BR>><BR>> Boise High School is ranked in the top 100 high schools in the<BR>> nation. How are they able to provide a lower tax rate, meet the <BR>> same federal and state regulations and succeed under the <BR>> dictatorially anti-education government? Why is Boise, and other <BR>> Idaho schools so successful and Moscow failing to provide?<BR>><BR>> I don't think anyone is asking for a miracle, they are just asking<BR>> for accountability and honesty. Something I think this <BR>> administration is seriously lacking. Moscow is the "Berkley of <BR>> Idaho." It is suppose to be the brain trust of the state. It has <BR>> more Mom's with PhDs per capita than any other city in the county. <BR>> Yet it cannot beat Boise in primary and
secondary education? We <BR>> know that Moscow has every advantage possible, more money per <BR>> pupil, college educated parents, and a great environment. Yet it is <BR>> far out paced by Boise. Why is this?<BR>><BR>> Keely says it is because of a factor, state and federal<BR>> regulations, that every other school has to implement as well. I <BR>> say it is because of the MSD Administration that is looking out for <BR>> some teachers, politicians, and themselves over the welfare of the <BR>> students.<BR>><BR>> Best,<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> keely emerinemix <KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM>wrote:<BR>> Of course, if MSD had "worked things out" with Gerry Weitz, and<BR>> presumably, then, with every other stakeholder who has had <BR>> suggestions or concerns about the educational programming offered <BR>> by the District, it would have to then reconcile those ideas, <BR>> meritorious though
they may be, with those pesky State and Federal <BR>> programming and curriculum requirements, which, while often <BR>> difficult to enact, have that MANDATE thing attached to them.<BR>><BR>> Seeing that PUBLIC EDUCATION is funded by taxpayers and regulated<BR>> by the State and, more than it should be, the Federal Government, <BR>> it would seem that attempts to craft a program offering a little of <BR>> this and a little of that and quite a bit more of the other is <BR>> appropriate for private schools, who only answer to paying <BR>> parents. Public schools, however, are in the unenviable position <BR>> of having to answer to the State and the Feds as well as the <BR>> taxpayers. They're bound by law, by strict state and Federal <BR>> guidelines, by funding (both by legislative fiat and by appeals to <BR>> voters) and by facilities.<BR>><BR>> Believe it or not, Donovan, this is not a case of Candis Donicht<BR>> and a
maverick school board deliberately deciding to annoy Gerry <BR>> Weitz, and neither is it a result of a concentrated effort to <BR>> ignore certain students. On the other hand, if you're willing to <BR>> believe that the current and former board members and current <BR>> administration are all demons incarnate, you won't be persuaded by <BR>> reality -- the same reality the rest of the world has to work with.<BR>><BR>> keely<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> "And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/ <BR>> Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what<BR>> they're going through"<BR>> (With apologies to David Bowie)<BR>><BR>> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:09:57 -0700<BR>> From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions<BR>><BR>><BR>> Joe Campbell wrote:<BR>><BR>> "What
exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have worked <BR>> out with Weitz? And for what reason?"<BR>><BR>> I think they should have worked out better funding of vocational<BR>> education and to reduce discrimination against non-college bound <BR>> students. And for the reason of being fair and ensuring that public <BR>> education provides equal benefit to all students as well as <BR>> providing the students with some job related skills so they can be <BR>> gainfully employed when they graduate high school.<BR>><BR>> Joe also writes:<BR>><BR>> "I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a<BR>> teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count." Thank <BR>> God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or <BR>> else we'd all be unable to comment! "<BR>><BR>> You are incorrect here on three accounts. First, we all breath, so<BR>> breathing would be an equal bias on
all people, thus not making it <BR>> a bias. Second, you would be the only person in education to state <BR>> that being a teacher has not impacted their way of thinking. Third, <BR>> and final, since you are philosophy teacher, you're biased in <BR>> thinking that everyone can be a philosophy teacher rather than <BR>> understanding standing some people want to be welders, carpenters, <BR>> constructionists, nurses, drafters, operators, truckers, and <BR>> machinists,--occupations that actually produce public wealth, not <BR>> drain from it.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Best,<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>> Joe Campbell <JOEKC@ADELPHIA.NET>wrote:<BR>> Donovan writes: "It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to work <BR>> with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image <BR>> that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do <BR>> with the size of the gap differences in opinion."<BR>><BR>>
What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have <BR>> worked out with Weitz? And for what reason?<BR>><BR>> The merit of Weitz’s lawsuit has not yet been decided. Even the <BR>> decision by the Deputy Attorney General, which Weitz and others <BR>> keep circulating, states that the law is ambiguous and subject to <BR>> two distinct interpretations, one of which is consistent with the <BR>> MSD's actions. There is absolutely no reason for the MSD to work <BR>> out a deal with Weitz, either before the election, or at the <BR>> current moment. To do so would have been, or would be, <BR>> irresponsible. The problem lies with the law, not with the MSD -- <BR>> and this is true even if Weitz wins since that decision would set <BR>> the legal precedent.<BR>><BR>> I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a <BR>> teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count."<BR>><BR>> Thank God
the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to <BR>> life or else we'd all be unable to comment!<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>><BR>> ------------------------------<BR>><BR>> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:28:47 -0700 (PDT)<BR>> From: Donovan Arnold<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions<BR>> To: Shirley Ringo , vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Message-ID: <981907.401.qm@web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>><BR>> Shirley,<BR>><BR>> You are without a doubt the best current legislature from Latah, <BR>> and certainly have the most integrity of the three. But I am unable <BR>> to find any vote you cast since 1999 which was in opposition to the <BR>> MSD or IEA agenda or stated positions. If such disagreements exist <BR>> between you and MSD and the IEA as you stated, please be so kind as <BR>> to point out a few for us.<BR>><BR>> I am
glad you are able to work out differences with the MSD before <BR>> taking them to court. It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to <BR>> work with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would <BR>> image that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to <BR>> do with the size of the gap differences in opinion.<BR>><BR>> Again, I would like to hear to what differences between the MSD and <BR>> yourself that you have worked out on behave of the people you <BR>> represent.<BR>><BR>> Best,<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> http://www.fsr.net<BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR>><BR>> Never miss an email again!<BR>> Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the
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