[Vision2020] Campaign contributions

[Joe Campbell]

Dear Doug,

Spinoza is one of my favorite philosophers. I'd love to see you in a production at the Kenworthy and I'd be more than happy to buy the tickets. If you were to pay instead, I'd be glad to purchase a pint (or coke or whatever you prefer) or two afterwards.

Best, Joe

---- heirdoug at netscape.net wrote: 

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Well every thing that I have learned has not been at the feet of Pastor 
Wilson. If I had learned at his feet you would have been dispatched 
long ago. As it is I lumber along with my philosophy minor from a state 
university. I do have a lot more to learn.

I am studying about Spinoza at present. You may enjoy the play that I'm 
in. It will be free at the Kenworthy in the near future. I'll buy the 
tickets!

Doug!





-----Original Message-----

From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>

To: heirdoug at netscape.net

Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com

Sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 4:43 pm

Subject: Re: Campaign contributions





















Doug,



This is an important issue, so I want to make a few points clear.



I am not denying Weitz's right to sue if he thought that the last 
election was

improperly run. And I think that his ideas about the importance and 
need for a

greater vo-tech element within the MSD are spot on.



What I deny is the suggestion that Weitz was justified in filing the 
suit in

order to pressure the MSD into adopting his policies. This is not a 
right

protected by the Constitution.



It was this suggestion -- made by Donovan and implied by the 
Conciliation

Petition of the Committee for Goodwill and Conciliation -- that I was 
referring

to in my post.



Apart from being unjustified, Weitz's lawsuit -- if filed for the 
reasons noted

above -- is impractical, since it is unlikely that the MSD will respond 
well to

these tactics. Note that this is my chief grievance with Weitz: His 
actions have

rendered the realization of his initial and laudable goal less probable.



On a side note, your continual attempts to muddy the waters of this 
debate are

nice examples of precisely what bugs me about the rhetorical style of 
your

pastor, from whom you have apparently 'learned' much. It is not too 
late,

though, since I'm teaching logic again next semester and would be glad 
to tutor

you for free in an effort to get you to learn some new techniques, 
e.g., those

created by Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle and perfected by Aquinas, 
Augustine,

and Luther, among others.



Please forgive me if I fail to respond to your reply! I'm in the middle 
of

teaching summer school.



Best, Joe



---- heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:



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Joe,



 Were not the statements you made part of your argument?



  I also thought that the authority of the government derived it's just

powers from the people it governs? I guess you tossed out the

constitution when you you became a "professional" philosopher!







doug!







-----Original Message-----



From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>



To: heirdoug at netscape.net



Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com



Sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 7:56 am



Subject: Re: campaign contributions



Doug,



  Afallacy is a fallacious argument. You quoted a statement (or maybe

two



statements) not an argument, so whatever it is it is not a fallacy.



This cheap point aside, I take it that you disagree with the

statement(s).



I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree! One problem with your two

examples



is that Weitz has neither the power nor the authority of OSHA and the



government.



Best, Joe







---- heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:







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Joe,















Your statement below seems to me to be a fallacy. If you use the same



logic in the construction industry and OSHA came up to you would you



comply? The government uses "blackmail-style" pressure all the time to



make you change your habits.







Doug!















" for the simple reason that people do not respond well to



blackmail-style pressure. "















"Tell me, if someone sued you in an effort to get you to do something,



no matter how noble it was, would it increase or decrease your chance



of doing it?"















Best, Joe



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