[Vision2020] Next item.
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Wed Jul 18 21:06:30 PDT 2007
DJA says:
" A fair viewpoint might be; If you are going to illegally collect revenue
for education, either spend it on education or give it back."
Wouldn't that be the same as saying, "If you're going to rob a bank to
support your family, make damn sure you spend that money on the family
support?"
What kind of reasoning is this?
J :]
>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>,
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Next item.
>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:12:13 -0700
>
>OK Hold it! Hold it! ....In all your posts you have referred to the levy
>as illegal. Now you say that illegal is ok as long as the money is spent
>just as you would like to have it spent. Frankly, the education of Moscow
>Students is a worthy cause, and your niggling about the administration, the
>teachers, my contributions to Shirley Ringo, etc. doesn't make it one iota
>less so--don't you find pleasure in anything?
>
>
>I'm done with this convaluted reasoning of yours. Well at least on this
>issue. Now on to something else..
>
>Sue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: Sue Hovey ; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
>
>
> Sue,
>
> It doesn't make it legal, anymore than paying a restitution of $155 for
>speeding makes speeding safe or legal. However, requiring MSD to spend the
>money they illegally collected on a worthy cause, might be a partial
>restitution for the illegal activity. I think less people would feel
>violated if illegally collected monies where spent on vocational training
>rather than a big bloated overpaid administration.
>
> A fair viewpoint might be; If you are going to illegally collect revenue
>for education, either spend it on education or give it back.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
> But, Donovan, had they worked with Weitz and included exactly the
>vocational programs he wanted, how then, does that make the illegal levy
>(your words, not mine) now legal? His suit does not even mention
>vocational programs.
>
> Sue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Campbell wrote:
>
> "What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have
>worked
> out with Weitz? And for what reason?"
>
> I think they should have worked out better funding of vocational
>education and to reduce discrimination against non-college bound students.
>And for the reason of being fair and ensuring that public education
>provides equal benefit to all students as well as providing the students
>with some job related skills so they can be gainfully employed when they
>graduate high school.
>
> Joe also writes:
>
> "I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a
>teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count." Thank God the
>issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or else we'd all be
>unable to comment! "
>
> You are incorrect here on three accounts. First, we all breath, so
>breathing would be an equal bias on all people, thus not making it a bias.
>Second, you would be the only person in education to state that being a
>teacher has not impacted their way of thinking. Third, and final, since you
>are philosophy teacher, you're biased in thinking that everyone can be a
>philosophy teacher rather than understanding standing some people want to
>be welders, carpenters, constructionists, nurses, drafters, operators,
>truckers, and machinists,--occupations that actually produce public wealth,
>not drain from it.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
> Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
> Donovan writes: "It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to
>work with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image that
>such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do with the size of
>the gap differences in opinion."
>
> What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have
>worked out with Weitz? And for what reason?
>
> The merit of Weitzâ?Ts lawsuit has not yet been decided. Even
>the decision by the Deputy Attorney General, which Weitz and others keep
>circulating, states that the law is ambiguous and subject to two distinct
>interpretations, one of which is consistent with the MSD's actions. There
>is absolutely no reason for the MSD to work out a deal with Weitz, either
>before the election, or at the current moment. To do so would have been, or
>would be, irresponsible. The problem lies with the law, not with the MSD --
>and this is true even if Weitz wins since that decision would set the legal
>precedent.
>
> I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a
>teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count."
>
> Thank God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to
>life or else we'd all be unable to comment!
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donovan Arnold
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
> To: Shirley Ringo , vision2020 at moscow.com
> Message-ID: <981907.401.qm at web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Shirley,
>
> You are without a doubt the best current legislature from Latah,
>and certainly have the most integrity of the three. But I am unable to find
>any vote you cast since 1999 which was in opposition to the MSD or IEA
>agenda or stated positions. If such disagreements exist between you and MSD
>and the IEA as you stated, please be so kind as to point out a few for us.
>
> I am glad you are able to work out differences with the MSD
>before taking them to court. It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to
>work with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image that
>such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do with the size of
>the gap differences in opinion.
>
> Again, I would like to hear to what differences between the MSD
>and yourself that you have worked out on behave of the people you
>represent.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
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