[Vision2020] Next item.
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Wed Jul 18 01:12:13 PDT 2007
OK Hold it! Hold it! ....In all your posts you have referred to the levy as illegal. Now you say that illegal is ok as long as the money is spent just as you would like to have it spent. Frankly, the education of Moscow Students is a worthy cause, and your niggling about the administration, the teachers, my contributions to Shirley Ringo, etc. doesn't make it one iota less so--don't you find pleasure in anything?
I'm done with this convaluted reasoning of yours. Well at least on this issue. Now on to something else..
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Sue Hovey ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
Sue,
It doesn't make it legal, anymore than paying a restitution of $155 for speeding makes speeding safe or legal. However, requiring MSD to spend the money they illegally collected on a worthy cause, might be a partial restitution for the illegal activity. I think less people would feel violated if illegally collected monies where spent on vocational training rather than a big bloated overpaid administration.
A fair viewpoint might be; If you are going to illegally collect revenue for education, either spend it on education or give it back.
Best,
Donovan
Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
But, Donovan, had they worked with Weitz and included exactly the vocational programs he wanted, how then, does that make the illegal levy (your words, not mine) now legal? His suit does not even mention vocational programs.
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
Joe Campbell wrote:
"What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have worked
out with Weitz? And for what reason?"
I think they should have worked out better funding of vocational education and to reduce discrimination against non-college bound students. And for the reason of being fair and ensuring that public education provides equal benefit to all students as well as providing the students with some job related skills so they can be gainfully employed when they graduate high school.
Joe also writes:
"I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count." Thank God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or else we'd all be unable to comment! "
You are incorrect here on three accounts. First, we all breath, so breathing would be an equal bias on all people, thus not making it a bias. Second, you would be the only person in education to state that being a teacher has not impacted their way of thinking. Third, and final, since you are philosophy teacher, you're biased in thinking that everyone can be a philosophy teacher rather than understanding standing some people want to be welders, carpenters, constructionists, nurses, drafters, operators, truckers, and machinists,--occupations that actually produce public wealth, not drain from it.
Best,
Donovan
Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
Donovan writes: "It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to work with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do with the size of the gap differences in opinion."
What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have worked out with Weitz? And for what reason?
The merit of Weitzâ?Ts lawsuit has not yet been decided. Even the decision by the Deputy Attorney General, which Weitz and others keep circulating, states that the law is ambiguous and subject to two distinct interpretations, one of which is consistent with the MSD's actions. There is absolutely no reason for the MSD to work out a deal with Weitz, either before the election, or at the current moment. To do so would have been, or would be, irresponsible. The problem lies with the law, not with the MSD -- and this is true even if Weitz wins since that decision would set the legal precedent.
I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count."
Thank God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or else we'd all be unable to comment!
--
Joe Campbell
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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Donovan Arnold
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
To: Shirley Ringo , vision2020 at moscow.com
Message-ID: <981907.401.qm at web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Shirley,
You are without a doubt the best current legislature from Latah, and certainly have the most integrity of the three. But I am unable to find any vote you cast since 1999 which was in opposition to the MSD or IEA agenda or stated positions. If such disagreements exist between you and MSD and the IEA as you stated, please be so kind as to point out a few for us.
I am glad you are able to work out differences with the MSD before taking them to court. It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to work with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do with the size of the gap differences in opinion.
Again, I would like to hear to what differences between the MSD and yourself that you have worked out on behave of the people you represent.
Best,
Donovan
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