[Vision2020] George W Told the Nation

Sun Jul 15 18:38:28 PDT 2007

Not even Ronald Reagan, one of my least favorite presidents, had the temerity to silence Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, a committed and conservative Christian who angered his "base" by suggesting, of all things, that condom use could keep people alive while describing in graphic and absolutely necessary terms what HIV was and how it could be contracted.  Perhaps Reagan lacked the guts to try; I have a sense that one could not easily neuter C. Everett Koop by telling him what he could and couldn't say.  It appears that even Reagan had more of a moral compass when it came to public health than our current "Christian" president, who not only insists that he be the focus of virtually every announcement from the Office of the Surgeon General but who also has a "facts-be-damned" approach to sexuality, drug use, and public health.  If this placates his own Religious Right base, that base deserves to be ignored by the next occupant of the White House.  Beliefs that require their adherents to misrepresent science, make up data, and otherwise lie in attempting to convince the rest of the world that they're true are beliefs that may or may not themselves deserve scrutiny.  The liars, however, deserve nothing but scorn, especially if they appeal elsewhere to the veracity of the Scriptures or the truth claims of their faith in their engagement with non-believers.Former Surgeon General Dr. Carmona should've developed a Koop-like backbone, but in an administration not generally regarded as truthful or candid, he was one of many easily consumed fish swimming in a tankful of Cheneys, Rummies, Rices, Hagers, and a frat boy named W.  Our loss, but then again -- those who most needed straight information from the SG's office are hardly a potent political force, are they?keely"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what they're going through"(With apologies to David Bowie)> From: carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:15:10 -0700> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] George W Told the Nation> > Pat, as a defender of The Current Occupant, a question not about Iraq.  How > about what the former Surgeon General has said about how he was "muzzled", > pretty much told to toe the party line, and, oh yeah, be sure to invoke The > Current Occupant's name at least 3 times on every page of his speeches?  I > ask because my primary source of news is the Golf Channel.  Perhaps they're > biased.  Carl Westberg Jr.> > > >From: <pkraut at moscow.com>> >To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] George W Told the Nation> >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:52:27 GMT> >> >Funny...I was just watching the Iraqi ambassador on c-span and that isn't> >what he said! Do you have some inside info that didn't come from our> >mainsteam press?? Because if you don't read or watch something other than> >CNN you do not know what you are talking about!> >> >> >> > > Donovan --> > >> > > We don't live in your fantasy world, where a competent leader has> > > command of an omnipotent military able to sacrifice what is necessary> > > to turn Iraq into a functional state. We happen to live in America,> > > where the most incompetent President of a generation leads a severely> > > weakened military amidst the ruins of Iraqi civil society. Your> > > fantasy situation, where we can do sufficient good to make up for our> > > inexcusable mistake, simply isn't going to occur.> > >> > > The Iraqi people want us out. The American people want us out. The> > > Iraqi government says "we can leave at any time."> > >> > > -- ACS> > >> > > On 7/15/07, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:> > > > Johnny come marching lately.> > > >> > > > I think all the people that were originally for this war, placed our> >troops> > > > in harms way, then later changed their minds after thousands of troops> >died,> > > > and now don't want to not finish the mission, should be sent over> >there.> > > >> > > >> > > > I think it immoral to kill all those soldiers, start political> >instability> > > > in the middle east, murder millions of foreign civilians, and then> >say, "Oh> > > > well, never mind!"> > > >> > > > Those people that wanted to start and supported the start of this war> >need> > > > to finish it. If our troops withdraw millions of Iraqis, mostly Kurds> >and> > > > Sunnies, are going to die. Iraq will be governed from Iran. Oil will> >be in> > > > the hands of fewer, causing easily $4 to $5 a gallon. Iran will be a> >single> > > > superpower in the middle east, great wealth, and nuclear weapons.> > > >> > > > No, we have to stay now. We should have stayed out and went after UBL.> >But> > > > now we have to suffer like we made others suffer. The backstabbers > >that> > > > supported the war and troops in the beginning but now desert them> >should be> > > > the ones to go over there first. Staying is a bad choice for sure, but> > > > leaving is even worse. All the idiots that believed Bush and wanted> >war in> > > > the first place should be the idiots to be sacrificed over there.> > > >> > > > Best,> > > >> > > > Donovan> > > >> > > >> > > > Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:> > > > Thanks Tom. Tom Paxton has always been one of my favorites. I was> > > > absolutley thrilled when he played at WSU oh so many years ago.> > > >> > > > m.> > > >> > > > At 9:08 AM -0700 7/15/07, Tom Hansen wrote:> > > > >GEORGE W. TOLD THE NATION> > > > >By Tom Paxton> > > > >> > > > >http://www.tomandrodna.com/Songs/George_W_Told_The_Nation.mp3> > > > >> > > > >or> > > > >> > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3bjso5> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >"I got a letter from old George W.,> > > > >It said, "Son, I hate to trouble ya,> > > > >But this war of mine is going bad.> > > > >It's time for me to roll the dice;> > > > >I know you've already been there twice,> > > > >But I am sending you back to Baghdad."> > > > >> > > > >Chorus:> > > > >Hey! George W. told the nation,> > > > >"This is not an escalation;> > > > >This is just a surge toward victory.> > > > >Just to win my little war,> > > > >I'm sending 20,000 more,> > > > >To help me save Iraq from Iraqis.> > > > >> > > > >And, so, I made it to Iraq> > > > >In time for one more sneak attack,> > > > >And to my old battalion I was sent.> > > > >We drive around in our Humvees,> > > > >Listening to The Black-Eyed Peas> > > > >And speaking fondly of the president. (To Chorus)> > > > >> > > > >Celebrities all come to see us,> > > > >Grateful they don't have to be us,> > > > >Politicians show their best face card.> > > > >Where is Bubba? Where's our leader?> > > > >Where's our favorite lip reader?> > > > >AWOL from the Texas National Guard> > > > >> > > > >If you're hunkered in Fallujah> > > > >Wondering who it was who screwed ya,> > > > >Wondering what became of "Shock and Awe!"> > > > >> > > > >You are feeling semi-certain> > > > >It has to do with Halliburton,> > > > >Dick Cheney's why you drew that fatal straw."> > > > >> > > > >-----------------------------------> > > > >> > > > >Seeya round town, Moscow.> > > > >> > > > >Tom Hansen> > > > >Moscow, Idaho> > > > >> > > > >"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the> > > > tranquil> > > > >and steady dedication of a lifetime."> > > > >> > > > >--Adlai E. 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