[Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 13 14:36:20 PDT 2007 

Yep and you are right.  That was intended to be a private e-mail and I 
messed up and hit the wrong button.

Pat, I do apologize and it will not happen again.

J  :]





>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>
>To: "'Art Deco'" <deco at moscow.com>, "'Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!
>Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:07:52 -0700
>
>In part, Wayne Fox wrote:
>"If trying to lower the incidences of child molestation is not a worthy
>community issue and effort and thus a "proper" subject for V 2020, then
>please excuse me for being out of touch with reality."
>
>You're not out of touch with reality, at least on this  ;-)  IMHO, the 
>topic
>of trying to protect our community's children, women, and men from area
>predatory serial pedophiles and other sex offenders is of vital importance.
>
>I'm not sure, but I think Matt Decker was objecting to the unrelated
>squabbling of some V2020 posters ("You tell me all of your areas of
>experience and knowledge and I will do the same" ilk) rather than the topic
>of pedophiles.  Pat Kraut . . . well, I've no explanation for her
>predictably clueless (IMHO) or intentionally obtuse (depending on one's
>perspective) rant.
>
>HOWEVER, I AM repulsed that ANYONE would drag Pat's grandkids into the
>discussion  :-(
>
>
>JMHO,
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
>
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>nothing.
>- Edmund Burke
>
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>plus
>70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce 
>outside
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Art Deco
>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:00 AM
>To: Vision 2020
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!
>
>Sitler may well be trying to escape his horribly destructive demons.  I 
>hope
>
>that he is, and that he will be successful for his sake, his parent's 
>sakes,
>
>and especially the sakes of all his potential victims.
>
>That said, in my opinion and that of the State of Idaho professionals that
>have been involved since before his initial sentencing, the poor thing is
>considered a very high risk to reoffend and thus to shatter some more lives
>including his own and that of his parents in addition to his innocent
>victims.  If you would like me to repost details of why the Sitler case
>stands out as a glaring example of egregious criminal justice system
>ineptitude and cronyism, not to mention grandiose, egomaniacal beliefs and
>actions by an untrained, self-worshipping enabler/procurer again, I will.
>
>As Gray Crabtree has pointed out, there are several of these kinds of
>offenders in the Moscow and Latah County.  I had hoped and still have some
>hope that the media and local law enforcement will expend the effort to 
>make
>
>more information about these persons and especially more information about
>prevention, reporting, and enforcement easily and frequently [repeat: 
>easily
>
>and frequently] available to the public.
>
>Giving that hope the probability that it in reality deserves, I hope to
>design and implement an informative website on the subject.  It is still in
>the early design stages and I will not be able to continue much work on it
>until mid-August.  It is my hope that when it is implemented, and if it is
>acceptable, then some public agency will take it over.
>
>If trying to lower the incidences of child molestation is not a worthy
>community issue and effort and thus a "proper" subject for V 2020, then
>please excuse me for being out of touch with reality.
>
>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>deco at moscow.com
>
><snip>
>
> >>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> >>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!
> >>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:09:51 -0700
> >>
> >>I could not agree more...this has nothing to do with what Moscow will be
> >>like in some grand and glorious future. Some of you should develope some
> >>new
> >>site that you can carry on with your personal agendas and let this site
> >>remain a hopeful new Moscow. I agree that the witch hunts some of you 
>are
> >>on
> >>are way out of order. If JFord and others do not want to live near a sex
> >>offender they can keep track for themselves. I do not need nor want a 
>blow
> >>by blow about someones life who may very well be trying to get
> >>better...but
> >>mercy isn't one of the strong suits of many on this site. Please, Please
> >>can
> >>we move on to something that is actually about this city as a whole??
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:52 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!
> >>
> >>
> >>J, Tom, Doug, and all else dealing with this matter,
> >>
> >>Can you PLEASE, no pretty please, take this elsewhere. This conversation
> >>between all of you has and will NEVER get anywhere. Not only this topic
> >>but
> >>all that deal with the cult/church/boarders or whatever you must call 
>it.
> >>I
> >>know some of you have nothing else to do, but I get tired of deleting 50
> >>posts a day dealing with Doug or whomever else that have their own
> >>opinions,
> >>however drastic you might feel.
> >>
> >>I do feel this blog has great potential but the few bad apples not
> >>mentioning names here( J ford Donovan) oops sorry I did it, ruin this
> >>site.
> >>
> >>Please stop, or better yet take it somewhere else.
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!
> >> >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:16:08 -0700
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"You tell me all of your areas of experience and
> >> >knowledge and I will do the same"
> >> >
> >> >THAT is going to be one flipping short list on your side, there Doug.
> >> >Tom's
> >> >list, however, will be lengthy and you may need permission from
> >>Dougie-Boy
> >> >to stay up that late as well as to read that thick of a document.  
>Well,
> >>ok
> >> >- so you may need one of the boysfromthesportzhood to help you read 
>the
> >>big
> >> >words, too.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >J  :]
> >> >
> >> > >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >> > >To: <heirdoug at netscape.net>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!
> >> > >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:06:34 -0700
> >> > >
> >> > >No deal, No-Clue.
> >> > >
> >> > >With Trinity Fest 2007 coming up in August, and oh very much to 
>post,
> >> > >I
> >> > >simply cannot abide by your suggested modifications to our "deal".
> >> > >
> >> > >And what with Sitler's hearing coming up on July 20th . . .
> >> > >
> >> > >I will simply have to expand the web directories.
> >> > >
> >> > >Stay tuned, Visionaires.
> >> > >
> >> > >Tom Hansen
> >> > >Moscow, Idaho
> >> > >
> >> > >"I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church.  If I found out
> >> > >that
> >>a
> >> > >member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers 
>in
> >> >the
> >> > >community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his
> >> > >reputation,
> >> > >yes, he'd be disciplined."
> >> > >
> >> > >- Doug Wilson (January 31, 2007)
> >> > >
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >From: heirdoug at netscape.net [mailto:heirdoug at netscape.net]
> >> > >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:35 PM
> >> > >To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!
> >> > >
> >> > >So Tom-Tom,
> >> > >
> >> > >The criteria for posting on Vision 2020 is now personal first hand
> >> > >experience and knowledge. I like it. I agree!
> >> > >
> >> > >  From now on out I will not talk about what the barracks are like 
>or
> >>the
> >> > >food or the companionship in military life and you can only talk 
>about
> >> > >computers, army life, picture taking and your wife.
> >> > >
> >> > >You may not post any further on anything Christ Church, Doug Wilson,
> >> > >Pedifilia or The Presidency. Seeing as how you do not have personal
> >> > >first hand experience or knowledge with any of these areas. Unless
> >> > >your
> >> > >not telling us something.
> >> > >
> >> > >But a deal is a deal! You tell me all of your areas of experience 
>and
> >> > >knowledge and I will do the same.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >lemeno, Doug!
> >> > >
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> >> > >To: heirdoug at netscape.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > >Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:52 am
> >> > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!
> >> > >
> >> > >Sounds cool to me, No-Clue.
> >> > >
> >> > >Here's an offer.
> >> > >
> >> > >If you cease being judgmental on aspects concerning the military, as
> >>you
> >> > >(and "Hat Rack" Iverson) lack any experience or knowledge concerning
> >> > >life in
> >> > >uniform, I will not be critical of police volunteers.  Deal?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >> > >
> >> > >Tom Hansen
> >> > >Moscow, Idaho
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
> >> > >college
> >> > >students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
> >> > >- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
> >> > >
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >From: heirdoug at netscape.net [mailto:heirdoug at netscape.net]
> >> > >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:44 AM
> >> > >To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!
> >> > >
> >> > >Tom,
> >> > >
> >> > >You outed me from my closet of military disgrace. I have never 
>served
> >> > >in any military capacity. I do have a commendation from Chief of
> >> > >Police
> >> > >of Taos, NM for services rendered. But beyond that my only 
>opportunity
> >> > >was to pass the AFOQT test with the highest score possible in two of
> >> > >the 5 areas.(above average in the other three)
> >> > >
> >> > >After impressing the base commander with my scores he said that they
> >> > >could not use my skills because they were winding down on
> >> > >recruitment -
> >> > >1975 post Vietnam war. I guess I didn't join up because they had too
> >> > >many exceptional officers already.
> >> > >
> >> > >Timing is everything and it wasn't my time. I still volunteer with
> >> > >various Police organizations and serve the community that way. I 
>also
> >> > >volunteer with a local Scout troop. But aside from all of that I 
>send
> >> > >an occasional care package to various military service 
>organizations.
> >> > >
> >> > >And I give Blood. I'm up to 5 1/2 gallons.
> >> > >
> >> > >I hope this helps your "background" check into my history.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Cheers, Doug!
>
>
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