[Vision2020] Scooter Libby's sentence commuted - was:

[Craine Kit]

Perhaps he should be sent to China where they EXECUTE public  
officials who are convicted of crimes that harm the people and the  
credibility of the government.

Kit Craine

On Jul 10, 2007, at 2:13 PM, Carl Westberg wrote:

> ...."send him to the chair!!"  Goodness.  Perhaps you mean the  
> armchair.
> Rocking chair? Barcalounger?       Carl Westberg Jr.
>
>
>> From: <pkraut at moscow.com>
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Scooter Libby's sentence commuted - was:
>> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:02:56 GMT
>>
>> "There is no evidence that he intended to destroy...." Not if is  
>> it only a
>> matter of getting the evidence to prove he is a first class  
>> criminal. If
>> it is just that we don't have the proof it does not prove he is  
>> innocent
>> it only means we do not know the truth...but if we did have the whole
>> truth we might want to send him to the chair!!
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/10/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>> Andras
>>>> That is rather convoluted reasoning. Sandy Berger stuffed  
>>>> documents in
>> his pants. There
>> is no way on knowing what those documents were. It is reasonable  
>> (but not
>> known) that they
>> related to Clinton. To try and excuse that action is laughable.
>>>
>>> Roger --
>>>
>>> The prosecutor specifically stated that the documents Berger  
>>> smuggled
>>> out of the National Archives were copies of electronically archived
>>> Clinton-era documents. We're not talking about a liberal prosecutor,
>>> either: we're talking about the Bush-appointed head of the Public
>>> Integrity Division.
>>>
>>> Here's a direct quote, from the reliably illiberal Opinion Journal
>>> (the WSJ's expanded editorial page):
>>>
>>> "There is no evidence that he intended to destroy originals,"  
>>> said Mr.
>>> Hillman. "There is no evidence that he did destroy originals. We  
>>> have
>>> objectively and affirmatively confirmed that the contents of all the
>>> five documents at issue exist today and were made available to the
>>> 9/11 Commission."
>>>
>>> Does that satisfy you?
>>>
>>> -- ACS
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/10/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think that Libby should receive a full pardon. No jail
>> time, yes. Clinton
>> pardoned a lot of people just before he left office. That is no  
>> reason
>> Bush should do the
>> same. By comparison though Libby is receiving harsher treatment  
>> that those
>> that committed
>> worse crimes. Sandy Burger pilfered secret documents. Richard  
>> Armitage did
>> the leaking.
>> They get nothing. Perjury is a serious crime and should not be taken
>> lightly, even if it
>> is just a bad memory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandy Berger violated rules regarding classified document handling
>>>>> when he smuggled out hard copies of documents stored  
>>>>> electronically
>> at
>>>>> the National Archives. The prosecutor, Noel Hillman, chief
>> prosecutor
>>>>> of the Justice Department's public integrity division and a Bush
>>>>> administration appointee, reported that he believes that no
>>>>> unduplicated information was smuggled out, damaged, or destroyed.
>> The
>>>>> Inspector General of the National Archive, issued a  report in  
>>>>> which
>>>>> he reports that no unduplicated information was smuggled out,
>> damaged,
>>>>> or destroyed. In short, there is absolutely no evidence, short of
>> the
>>>>> Wall Street Journal editorial board's uncorroborated aspersions,
>> that
>>>>> Sandy Berger ever did anything other than violate National Archive
>>>>> rules regarding classified document handling (and in doing so,  
>>>>> broke
>>>>> the law).
>>>>>
>>>>> To the contrary, Scooter Libby, as part of the OVP's pushback on
>>>>> falsified Iraq intelligence, was outing Valerie Plame Wilson (to
>>>>> Time's Andrea Mitchell and Matt Cooper and the New York Times'
>> Judith
>>>>> Miller) two weeks before Richard Armitage served as Bob Novak's
>>>>> primary source. Then, after being given ample time to review his
>>>>> copious notes on the subject (notes which later served to convict
>>>>> him), he lied to FBI investigators. He then lied to the grand  
>>>>> jury,
>>>>> three times. When he got caught (remember those notes?), he then
>>>>> changed his story to reflect what actually happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> Saying that he "simply forgot" is laughable. He was in meetings
>> where
>>>>> the outing of Valerie Plame was discussed. He produced lists of
>>>>> journalists to speak to about Valerie Plame's work at the CIA. He
>>>>> spoke with Ari Fleischer and Karl Rove about his intention to  
>>>>> speak
>> to
>>>>> journalists about Valerie Plame's work at the CIA. It strains
>>>>> credulity -- and punches through to the other side -- to argue  
>>>>> that
>>>>> Scooter Libby "simply forgot."
>>>>>
>>>>> He perjured himself and obstructed justice, and thereby defended
>> other
>>>>> people in the White House -- like Karl Rove, Richard Armitage,  
>>>>> DIck
>>>>> Cheney, and perhaps the President himself -- that conspired to
>> punish
>>>>> the Wilsons for releasing information that, ultimately, turned out
>> to
>>>>> be correct. The Iraqi government had not even the most rudimentary
>> WMD
>>>>> campaign when we invaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why Libby was punished so severely. And, incidentally,  
>>>>> this
>> is
>>>>> why his sentence was commuted, rather than him being pardoned: so
>> long
>>>>> as there are potential criminal sanctions against him, he can  
>>>>> plead
>>>>> the fifth and avoid implicating other Bush administration  
>>>>> officials.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- ACS
>>>>
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