[Vision2020] Scooter Libby's sentence commuted - was:

[Carl Westberg]

...."send him to the chair!!"  Goodness.  Perhaps you mean the armchair.  
Rocking chair? Barcalounger?       Carl Westberg Jr.


>From: <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Scooter Libby's sentence commuted - was:
>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:02:56 GMT
>
>"There is no evidence that he intended to destroy...." Not if is it only a
>matter of getting the evidence to prove he is a first class criminal. If
>it is just that we don't have the proof it does not prove he is innocent
>it only means we do not know the truth...but if we did have the whole
>truth we might want to send him to the chair!!
>
>
>
> > On 7/10/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > > Andras
> > > That is rather convoluted reasoning. Sandy Berger stuffed documents in
>his pants. There
>is no way on knowing what those documents were. It is reasonable (but not
>known) that they
>related to Clinton. To try and excuse that action is laughable.
> >
> > Roger --
> >
> > The prosecutor specifically stated that the documents Berger smuggled
> > out of the National Archives were copies of electronically archived
> > Clinton-era documents. We're not talking about a liberal prosecutor,
> > either: we're talking about the Bush-appointed head of the Public
> > Integrity Division.
> >
> > Here's a direct quote, from the reliably illiberal Opinion Journal
> > (the WSJ's expanded editorial page):
> >
> > "There is no evidence that he intended to destroy originals," said Mr.
> > Hillman. "There is no evidence that he did destroy originals. We have
> > objectively and affirmatively confirmed that the contents of all the
> > five documents at issue exist today and were made available to the
> > 9/11 Commission."
> >
> > Does that satisfy you?
> >
> > -- ACS
> >
> > >
> > > > On 7/10/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > > > > I don't think that Libby should receive a full pardon. No jail
>time, yes. Clinton
>pardoned a lot of people just before he left office. That is no reason
>Bush should do the
>same. By comparison though Libby is receiving harsher treatment that those
>that committed
>worse crimes. Sandy Burger pilfered secret documents. Richard Armitage did
>the leaking.
>They get nothing. Perjury is a serious crime and should not be taken
>lightly, even if it
>is just a bad memory.
> > > >
> > > > Sandy Berger violated rules regarding classified document handling
> > > > when he smuggled out hard copies of documents stored electronically
>at
> > > > the National Archives. The prosecutor, Noel Hillman, chief 
>prosecutor
> > > > of the Justice Department's public integrity division and a Bush
> > > > administration appointee, reported that he believes that no
> > > > unduplicated information was smuggled out, damaged, or destroyed. 
>The
> > > > Inspector General of the National Archive, issued a  report in which
> > > > he reports that no unduplicated information was smuggled out,
>damaged,
> > > > or destroyed. In short, there is absolutely no evidence, short of 
>the
> > > > Wall Street Journal editorial board's uncorroborated aspersions, 
>that
> > > > Sandy Berger ever did anything other than violate National Archive
> > > > rules regarding classified document handling (and in doing so, broke
> > > > the law).
> > > >
> > > > To the contrary, Scooter Libby, as part of the OVP's pushback on
> > > > falsified Iraq intelligence, was outing Valerie Plame Wilson (to
> > > > Time's Andrea Mitchell and Matt Cooper and the New York Times' 
>Judith
> > > > Miller) two weeks before Richard Armitage served as Bob Novak's
> > > > primary source. Then, after being given ample time to review his
> > > > copious notes on the subject (notes which later served to convict
> > > > him), he lied to FBI investigators. He then lied to the grand jury,
> > > > three times. When he got caught (remember those notes?), he then
> > > > changed his story to reflect what actually happened.
> > > >
> > > > Saying that he "simply forgot" is laughable. He was in meetings 
>where
> > > > the outing of Valerie Plame was discussed. He produced lists of
> > > > journalists to speak to about Valerie Plame's work at the CIA. He
> > > > spoke with Ari Fleischer and Karl Rove about his intention to speak
>to
> > > > journalists about Valerie Plame's work at the CIA. It strains
> > > > credulity -- and punches through to the other side -- to argue that
> > > > Scooter Libby "simply forgot."
> > > >
> > > > He perjured himself and obstructed justice, and thereby defended
>other
> > > > people in the White House -- like Karl Rove, Richard Armitage, DIck
> > > > Cheney, and perhaps the President himself -- that conspired to 
>punish
> > > > the Wilsons for releasing information that, ultimately, turned out 
>to
> > > > be correct. The Iraqi government had not even the most rudimentary
>WMD
> > > > campaign when we invaded.
> > > >
> > > > This is why Libby was punished so severely. And, incidentally, this
>is
> > > > why his sentence was commuted, rather than him being pardoned: so
>long
> > > > as there are potential criminal sanctions against him, he can plead
> > > > the fifth and avoid implicating other Bush administration officials.
> > > >
> > > > -- ACS
> > >
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