[Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!

Tue Jul 10 17:07:14 PDT 2007

AAARRRRGGGHHHH!  See what I get by reading messages out of order?Doug, you aren't really going to try to convince us that you went from tmy response to Iverson by pointing out two instances of icky behavior by women, then suddenly veering off an even more ludicrous cliff by suggesting that your point, really and truly, was to point out the hypocrisy of men and women on Vision who would NEVER excoriate either of them, unless they went to Christ Church?  When Iverson and I both wrote about women in the military, not in the sanctuary, not at third base. Circular reasoning ought to bring you back to the initial point, which you can illustrate for yourself by imagining a . . . well, a circle.  You've managed to do like my kitten does, with much less charm -- you've taken a strand, unraveled it completely, and have now left bits and pieces all over the place.keely"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what they're going through"(With apologies to David Bowie)> To: godshatter at yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:17:03 -0400> From: heirdoug at netscape.net> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!> > Yes, Paul, It is true!> > All women are just as sinful as all men. They are in need of a Savior > just like you or I.> > But can you imagine what would be traveling around V2020 if either of > these women were members of Christ Church here in Moscow?> > That really was my point. Those that wish to crucify Doug Wilson > because of the sins of a few individuals, who happen to sin openly, is > the whole reason for most of the comments here on V2020. They only wish > to comment negatively when it can be directly or indirectly traced back > to Christ Church or Doug Wilson. All of the comments about these two > women will come back just like your whiny voice. "Well men do it too!"> > There will be no outcry for the victims from Deco or J. in any of these > situations. No disdain for the perpetrators by Tom Hansan. No call for > impeachment of the Judge or the Prosecuting attorney. It will be all > quiet on the eastern front.> > I'm just trying to point out, as a "good" Christian, the disingenuous > actions by those that hold their self-righteous candle of truth. That > is all.> > lemeno, Doug> > > > PS, Is your "handle" god-shatter or gods-hatter?> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>> > To: heirdoug at netscape.net> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com> > Sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 7:45 am> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Women in Authority and Leadership!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like no *man* in power has ever done something like this.> > > > > > Sheesh.> > > > > > By the way, I can feel the love in everyone of your posts - that's how > I> > know you're a good Christian.> > > > > > Paul> > > > > > > > heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:> > > > > Here are a couple of stories about women in control to add to the> > > current discussion.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > From today's Spokesman Review.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      A former assistant varsity softball coach at Centennial High > School> > > accused of having inappropriate sexual contact with a 16-year-old> > > female student in a public park in April pleaded guilty to a lesser> > > charge today.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      Lauren Palmer was initially charged with with felony sexual > battery> > > of a minor. However, after prosecutors filed an amended complaint of> > > felony injury to child, Palmer pleaded guilty to the lesser charge > this> > > afternoon in front of 4th District Judge Deborah Bail.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >     Palmer will be sentenced Aug. 27.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      As part of the plea agreement , the defense plans to ask for a> > > withheld judgment, meaning if Palmer successfully fulfills all the> > > conditions of her probation or parole, her guilty plea will be > removed> > > from her record.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      Prosecutors have agreed not to pursue prison time and are not > going> > > to oppose the withheld judgment.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      The maximum possible penalty for felony injury to child is 10 > years> > > in prison.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > From the Seattle Times:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      The Rev. Ann Holmes Redding, a local Episcopal priest who > announced> > > she is both Muslim and Christian, will not be able to serve as a > priest> > > for a year, according to her bishop.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      AnnHolmesReddingDuring that year, Redding is expected to > “reflect> > > on the doctrines of the Christian faith, her vocation as a priest, > and> > > what I see as the conflicts inherent in professing both Christianity> > > and Islam,” the Rt. Rev. Geralyn Wolf, bishop of the Diocese of Rhode> > > Island, wrote in an e-mail to Episcopal Church leaders.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      Redding was ordained more than 20 years ago by the then-bishop > of> > > Rhode Island, and it is that diocese that has disciplinary authority> > > over her.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      During the next year, Redding “is not to exercise any of the> > > responsibilities and privileges of an Episcopal priest or deacon,” > Wolf> > > wrote in her e-mail. Wolf could not be reached for immediate comment.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >     …> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      Timethers were critical, saying it wasn’t possible to be both> > > Christian and Muslim. And some took issue with her being a leader> > > within the Episcopal Church while also professing another faith.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      Some also saw Redding’s announcement as another sign that the> > > Episcopal Church was veering too far away from Scripture, doctrine > and> > > tradition. The Episcopal Church, which is the U.S. branch of the> > > worldwide Anglican Communion, is already embroiled in deep conflict> > > with the Communion over scriptural interpretation on issues such as> > > homosexuality and the ordination of women.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      Redding says she understands that “the last thing the church > needs> > > to deal with at this time is this type of doctrinal dispute. I wish > it> > > could’ve been at a more convenient time. But as far as I know, I am> > > responding to God’s will and God’s timing.”> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      For her part, Redding said she didn’t feel a need to reconcile > all> > > the differences between the two faiths but felt that at the most > basic> > > level, they are compatible.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >      She believes she has not violated any of her baptismal or> > > ordination vows.> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and> > > industry-leading spam and email virus protection.> > > > > =0> > > > >> > > > > =======================================================> > > > >  List services made available by First Step Internet,> > >  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > >                http://www.fsr.net> > >           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> > > > > =======================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________> Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and > industry-leading spam and email virus protection.> =0> > =======================================================>  List services made available by First Step Internet, >  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   >                http://www.fsr.net                       >           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================
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