[Vision2020] Them Godless Liberals

[Pat Kraut]

i understand this has been addressed already by some but I wanted you Paul
to know that if you do not put your response first on you post I think you
forgot to do it. When you reverse them it is just plain wrong. I suspect you
do not care but I do not read you posts...just wanted you to know...and
anyone else who does this.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Them Godless Liberals


heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:

># One thing that we need is a concept of covenantal/federal/corporate
>responsibility
>
>Newt's comments are very good as far as they go, but he is still not
>getting to the real core of the matter. Islamic terrorists are not
>trying to attack the West outside of and apart from God's sovereignty.
>God is allowing this to happen, and He is allowing it to happen for a
>reason. We need to ask ourselves, "Why is God allowing Islamic
>terrorists to launch attacks against the West NOW? What is the message
>the God is trying to tell us through all this?" And the message is that
>He wants us all to turn away from our sins and to turn unto Him. The
>pack of decadent, godless, liberal (libertine) socialist
>revolutionaries that the West has been gradually morphing into was
>becoming what it was becoming in a process of TURNING AWAY FROM GOD.
>Did we really think that God wasn't there? Did we really think that God
>doesn't CARE? He is there, and He does care, and thus he has allowed
>Islamic terrorists to come into our midst. When the West becomes truly
>Christian once again, God will show us the way out of the mess that we
>are in, and He will lead us to victory and peace. But if anyone thinks
>that we can deal effectively with the problem of Islamic terrorism -- 
>which is really a symptom rather than the real underlying problem
>itself -- without addressing the more fundamental problem of how we as
>individuals and as a society are to relate to the Christian God, that
>person is not in a position to find a genuine solution. This much is
>clear: there is no point in making the world safe for moral degeneracy
>and godlessness. If that's the sort of "freedom" that West stands for,
>it's not worth defending.
>
>Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:39 AM by cdwitmer
>
>

It's funny that the scenario of God getting miffed about the Wests
decadent, godless, libertine ways and stepping back to allow Islamic
terrorists to blow the crap out of us is not substantially different
from how those same terrorists would describe the situation.  Except
that it's Allah, and you get virgins as a reward.

Were the Twin Towers a bastion of godlessness?  Were they a libertine's
haven?  I thought they were office blocks for the most part with
international offices from all sorts of countries, East as well as
West.  Oh yeah, and some restraunts.  If God really wanted to show that
he CARED, maybe he could have picked a better target?  Excuse me, could
have allowed the Islamic terrorists to pick a better target?

Extreme fundamentalist Christianity and extreme fundamentalist Islam
apparently have more in common than I had first suspected.

If any of you that believe this sort of thing could please ask your God
to stop CARING so much, that would be great.  Then we could go back to
our downward spiral of videogame-playing and having (gasp!) sex in peace
without the fears of being blown up at our offices.  Thank you.

Paul

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