[Vision2020] Them Godless Liberals

Tue Jan 30 09:59:44 PST 2007

Greetings:

Reading the context of  Chris Witmer's words not only shows that he 
is a fear monger, but so is Newt Gingrich. I had first spelled it Gringrinch!!

Blaming Islamic culture as a whole for Muslims extremists is just as 
outrageous and wrong as blaming Christian culture for Doug Wilson's 
destructive top male Christian nationalism based as it is on 
"biblical absolutism."

A crazy preacher by the name of David Koresh was prepared to 
sacrifice his wives and children and those his Branch Davidians for 
his cause, and Doug Wilson predicts that "pagan" culture will be 
violently swept up the tsunami of God's wrath.  That will be more 
than a few pagan babies floating in the huge rip tide of Wilson's 
avenging Christ.

I'm inserting and attaching an artist's depiction of the Jihadi Jesus.

Nick Gier

Emacs!

At 06:15 AM 1/30/2007, you wrote:
>Tom-Tom,
>
>Maybe if we put his comments back into the context into which he stated
>them we MIGHT be able to start to understand just what his intent
>was.... Ya think!
>
>Next time if you are trying to malign someone do with a little more
>class. OK! If one is to read the second to last sentance in Chris'
>argument one might think Tom, Chris knew who you were!
>
>By the way Tom, you must want to "overhear every tedious scrap of brain
>static rattling around in" Dale's head, you read his blog all the time!
>
>And now, from Right-Mind.us:
>
>
>Sobering words
>  From a speech in New Hampshire by former Speaker of the House, Newt
>Gingrich.
>
>Not a politically correct speech.
>
>
>"The third thing I want to talk about very briefly is the genuine
>danger of terrorism, in particular terrorists using weapons of mass
>destruction and weapons of mass murder, nuclear and biological weapons.
>And I want to suggest to you that right now we should be impaneling
>people to look seriously at a level of supervision that we would never
>dream of if it weren't for the scale of threat.
>Let me give you two examples. When the British this summer arrested
>people who were planning to blow up ten airliners in one day, they
>arrested a couple who were going to use their six month old baby in
>order to hide the bomb as baby milk.
>"Now, if I come to you tonight and say that there are people on the
>planet who hate you, and they are 15-25 year old males who are willing
>to die as long as they get to kill you, I've simply described the
>warrior culture which has been true historically for 6 or 7 thousand
>years.
>"But, if I come to you and say that there is a couple that hates you so
>much that they will kill their six month old baby in order to kill you,
>I am describing a level of ferocity, and a level of savagery beyond
>anything we have tried to deal with.
>And, what is truly frightening about the British experience is they are
>arresting British citizens, born in Britain, speaking English, who went
>to British schools, live in British housing, and have good jobs.
>"This is a serious long term war, and it will inevitably lead us to
>want to know what is said in every suspect place in the country, that
>will lead us to learn how to close down every website that is
>dangerous, and it will lead us to a very severe approach to people who
>advocate the killing of Americans and advocate the use of nuclear or
>biological weapons.
>"And, my prediction to you is that either before we lose a city, or if
>we are truly stupid, after we lose a city, we will adopt rules of
>engagement that use every technology we can find to break up their
>capacity to use the internet, to break up their capacity to use free
>speech, and to go after people who want to kill us to stop them from
>recruiting people before they get to reach out and convince young
>people to destroy their lives while destroying us.
>"This is a serious problem that will lead to a serious debate about the
>first amendment, but I think that the national security threat of
>losing an American city to a nuclear weapon, or losing several million
>Americans to a biological attack is so real that we need to
>proactively, now, develop the appropriate rules of engagement.
>"And, I further think that we should propose a Geneva convention for
>fighting terrorism which makes very clear that those who would fight
>outside the rules of law, those who would use weapons of mass
>destruction, and those who would target civilians are in fact subject
>to a totally different set of rules that allow us to protect
>civilization by defeating barbarism before it gains so much strength
>that it is truly horrendous.
>"This is a sober topic, but I think it is a topic we need a national
>dialogue about, and we need to get ahead of the curve rather than wait
>until actually we literary lose a city which could literally happen
>within the next decade if we are unfortunate. So
>
>(APPLAUSE)
>
>"This is a very sober description of the Islamic terrorist threat we
>are faced with. We are NOW at war with a culture that wants, not to
>take over our land, but to KILL us.
>
>Published Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:55 AM by Right-Mind
>
>Comments
>
># One thing that we need is a concept of covenantal/federal/corporate
>responsibility
>
>Newt's comments are very good as far as they go, but he is still not
>getting to the real core of the matter. Islamic terrorists are not
>trying to attack the West outside of and apart from God's sovereignty.
>God is allowing this to happen, and He is allowing it to happen for a
>reason. We need to ask ourselves, "Why is God allowing Islamic
>terrorists to launch attacks against the West NOW? What is the message
>the God is trying to tell us through all this?" And the message is that
>He wants us all to turn away from our sins and to turn unto Him. The
>pack of decadent, godless, liberal (libertine) socialist
>revolutionaries that the West has been gradually morphing into was
>becoming what it was becoming in a process of TURNING AWAY FROM GOD.
>Did we really think that God wasn't there? Did we really think that God
>doesn't CARE? He is there, and He does care, and thus he has allowed
>Islamic terrorists to come into our midst. When the West becomes truly
>Christian once again, God will show us the way out of the mess that we
>are in, and He will lead us to victory and peace. But if anyone thinks
>that we can deal effectively with the problem of Islamic terrorism --
>which is really a symptom rather than the real underlying problem
>itself -- without addressing the more fundamental problem of how we as
>individuals and as a society are to relate to the Christian God, that
>person is not in a position to find a genuine solution. This much is
>clear: there is no point in making the world safe for moral degeneracy
>and godlessness. If that's the sort of "freedom" that West stands for,
>it's not worth defending.
>
>Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:39 AM by cdwitmer
>
>
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"Truth is the summit of being; justice is the application of it to 
human affairs."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Abstract truth has no value unless it incarnates in human beings who 
represent it, by proving their readiness to die for it."
  --Mohandas Gandhi

"Modern physics has taught us that the nature of any system cannot be 
discovered by dividing it into its component parts and studying each 
part by itself. . . .We must keep our attention fixed on the whole 
and on the interconnection between the parts. The same is true of our 
intellectual life. It is impossible to make a clear cut between 
science, religion, and art. The whole is never equal simply to the 
sum of its various parts." --Max Planck

Nicholas F. Gier
Professor Emeritus, Department of Philosophy, University of Idaho
1037 Colt Rd., Moscow, ID 83843
http://users.adelphia.net/~nickgier/home.htm
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