[Vision2020] [OFF LIST] Them Godless Liberals

Tue Jan 30 07:34:06 PST 2007

He wasn't cursing!  He was expressing a desire to have something he doesn't 
have!  Seems reasonable to me....considering its Doug (ANY of them)

J  :]

>From: Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com>
>To: heirdoug at netscape.net, thansen at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [OFF LIST]  Them Godless Liberals
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:36:59 -0800
>
>As someone who grew up speaking Yiddish in a Jewish neighborhood,
>watch your mouth. Obscenely cursing in a language other than English
>is still obscenely cursing.
>
>Mark
>
>At 9:21 AM -0500 1/30/07, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:
> >Tom,
> >
> >Who says that I am endorsing you!
> >
> >You're such a Putz!
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: thansen at moscow.com
> >To: heirdoug at netscape.net
> >Sent: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 7:18 AM
> >Subject: RE: [OFF LIST]  Them Godless Liberals
> >
> >Cool.
> >
> >Thanks for the endorsement, No-Clue.
> >
> >Hansen
> >
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> >
> >"A bad cause will ever be supported by bad means and bad men."
> >
> >- Thomas Paine (English Writer, 1737-1809)
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> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:15 AM
> >To: idahotom at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Them Godless Liberals
> >
> >Tom-Tom,
> >
> >Maybe if we put his comments back into the context into which he stated
> >them we MIGHT be able to start to understand just what his intent
> >was.... Ya think!
> >
> >Next time if you are trying to malign someone do with a little more
> >class. OK! If one is to read the second to last sentance in Chris'
> >argument one might think Tom, Chris knew who you were!
> >
> >By the way Tom, you must want to "overhear every tedious scrap of brain
> >static rattling around in" Dale's head, you read his blog all the time!
> >
> >And now, from Right-Mind.us:
> >
> >
> >Sobering words
> >From a speech in New Hampshire by former Speaker of the House, Newt
> >Gingrich.
> >
> >Not a politically correct speech.
> >
> >
> >"The third thing I want to talk about very briefly is the genuine
> >danger of terrorism, in particular terrorists using weapons of mass
> >destruction and weapons of mass murder, nuclear and biological weapons.
> >And I want to suggest to you that right now we should be impaneling
> >people to look seriously at a level of supervision that we would never
> >dream of if it weren't for the scale of threat.
> >Let me give you two examples. When the British this summer arrested
> >people who were planning to blow up ten airliners in one day, they
> >arrested a couple who were going to use their six month old baby in
> >order to hide the bomb as baby milk.
> >"Now, if I come to you tonight and say that there are people on the
> >planet who hate you, and they are 15-25 year old males who are willing
> >to die as long as they get to kill you, I've simply described the
> >warrior culture which has been true historically for 6 or 7 thousand
> >years.
> >"But, if I come to you and say that there is a couple that hates you so
> >much that they will kill their six month old baby in order to kill you,
> >I am describing a level of ferocity, and a level of savagery beyond
> >anything we have tried to deal with.
> >And, what is truly frightening about the British experience is they are
> >arresting British citizens, born in Britain, speaking English, who went
> >to British schools, live in British housing, and have good jobs.
> >"This is a serious long term war, and it will inevitably lead us to
> >want to know what is said in every suspect place in the country, that
> >will lead us to learn how to close down every website that is
> >dangerous, and it will lead us to a very severe approach to people who
> >advocate the killing of Americans and advocate the use of nuclear or
> >biological weapons.
> >"And, my prediction to you is that either before we lose a city, or if
> >we are truly stupid, after we lose a city, we will adopt rules of
> >engagement that use every technology we can find to break up their
> >capacity to use the internet, to break up their capacity to use free
> >speech, and to go after people who want to kill us to stop them from
> >recruiting people before they get to reach out and convince young
> >people to destroy their lives while destroying us.
> >"This is a serious problem that will lead to a serious debate about the
> >first amendment, but I think that the national security threat of
> >losing an American city to a nuclear weapon, or losing several million
> >Americans to a biological attack is so real that we need to
> >proactively, now, develop the appropriate rules of engagement.
> >"And, I further think that we should propose a Geneva convention for
> >fighting terrorism which makes very clear that those who would fight
> >outside the rules of law, those who would use weapons of mass
> >destruction, and those who would target civilians are in fact subject
> >to a totally different set of rules that allow us to protect
> >civilization by defeating barbarism before it gains so much strength
> >that it is truly horrendous.
> >"This is a sober topic, but I think it is a topic we need a national
> >dialogue about, and we need to get ahead of the curve rather than wait
> >until actually we literary lose a city which could literally happen
> >within the next decade if we are unfortunate. So
> >
> >(APPLAUSE)
> >
> >"This is a very sober description of the Islamic terrorist threat we
> >are faced with. We are NOW at war with a culture that wants, not to
> >take over our land, but to KILL us.
> >
> >Published Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:55 AM by Right-Mind
> >
> >Comments
> >
> ># One thing that we need is a concept of covenantal/federal/corporate
> >responsibility
> >
> >Newt's comments are very good as far as they go, but he is still not
> >getting to the real core of the matter. Islamic terrorists are not
> >trying to attack the West outside of and apart from God's sovereignty.
> >God is allowing this to happen, and He is allowing it to happen for a
> >reason. We need to ask ourselves, "Why is God allowing Islamic
> >terrorists to launch attacks against the West NOW? What is the message
> >the God is trying to tell us through all this?" And the message is that
> >He wants us all to turn away from our sins and to turn unto Him. The
> >pack of decadent, godless, liberal (libertine) socialist
> >revolutionaries that the West has been gradually morphing into was
> >becoming what it was becoming in a process of TURNING AWAY FROM GOD.
> >Did we really think that God wasn't there? Did we really think that God
> >doesn't CARE? He is there, and He does care, and thus he has allowed
> >Islamic terrorists to come into our midst. When the West becomes truly
> >Christian once again, God will show us the way out of the mess that we
> >are in, and He will lead us to victory and peace. But if anyone thinks
> >that we can deal effectively with the problem of Islamic terrorism --
> >which is really a symptom rather than the real underlying problem
> >itself -- without addressing the more fundamental problem of how we as
> >individuals and as a society are to relate to the Christian God, that
> >person is not in a position to find a genuine solution. This much is
> >clear: there is no point in making the world safe for moral degeneracy
> >and godlessness. If that's the sort of "freedom" that West stands for,
> >it's not worth defending.
> >
> >Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:39 AM by cdwitmer
> >
> >
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