[Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
Tony
tonytime at clearwire.net
Sun Jan 28 17:51:21 PST 2007
Oh Sunil, there you go again.
It is not accurate to say that I do not object to the execution of the
innocent inasmuch as I have never addressed such a question. What I did
say, which you mendaciously attempt to pervert, is that such occurrences,
although tragic, do not necessarily justify banning the application of
capital punishment in all cases.
And no, Sunil, I have never been asked about my feelings with regard to
collateral damage during wartime, nor have I gratuitously offered an
assessment of it's ultimate morality. What I did say, which you hope, in
your albeit clumsy effort to mislead the list as to my past positions on
this question, is that I believe in certain instances that a greater number
of lives may plausibly have been saved by our acceptance of a certain amount
of collateral damage. At no time did I draw the ridiculous conclusion that
you ascribe to me: That heck, civilian casualties are just hunky dory with
me.
I know your nose is out of joint from our last go round councilor, but can't
you do a little better than that?
Undaunted by those who would support and enable child-killing. -T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
> Since Tony objects neither to the execution of the wrongly convicted nor
> the
> deaths of innocent victims of our wars abroad, he isn't a supporter of
> innocent life either.
>
> Sunil
>
>
>>From: Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
>>To: Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
>>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:51:05 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>Tony,
>>
>>Not flat Tony. Right on target. Your answer is "No, the government
>>should
>>not be allowed to
>> strap me to a gurney against my will and take half of my liver to save
>>me
>> in the name of "compassion for all life". Funny how things change when
>>it's your body in the mix.
>>
>>-Scott
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>To: Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:42:13 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
>>
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>>Hey Scott, how's it hanging? Say, in your
>>hypothetical scenario, are there perhaps thousands of individuals and
>>couples
>>waiting in the wings to donate a liver to you should I refuse? Oh my, how
>>inconvenient when our metaphor falls flat. In the case of abortion, of
>>course, there are literally thousands of folks waiting around the block to
>>adopt
>>the little human being in question, so the bio mother's decision to not be
>>involved in it's raising would not condemn it to death.
>>
>>
>>
>>Really Scott, no bobbing and weaving is required to
>>defend the right to life of innocent babies, just a modicum of sensitivity
>>and
>>vision.
>>
>>
>>
>>Best, -T
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From:
>> Scott Dredge
>>
>>
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:03
>> PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Compassion for
>> All Life
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>>You
>> can oppose abortion all you want. The fact is that whether or not
>> abortion remains legalized or whether it is completely banned will not
>> directily impact you. You personally gain no rights nor lose any
>> rights
>> as abortion restrictions ebb and flow.
>>
>>But would your position on
>> "compassion for all life" change at all if you were affected? For
>> instance, let's say that I need half of your liver to survive because
>>for
>> [insert any reason] my own liver is failing. Let's say that an
>>operation
>> to split your liver carries no more risk of death to you than that of a
>>woman
>> in child birth. Let's also say that the recovery time from this
>> operation is no more burdensome than what women typically go through
>>from late
>> term pregnancies through child birth. Your liver will regenerate back
>>to
>> full size 6 months after the operation. The question then I have for
>>you
>> is this: should you be allowed to make the choice of whether or not to
>>donate
>> half of your liver to save my life or should the government be allowed
>>to
>> strap you to a gurney against your will and take half of your liver to
>>save me
>> in the name of "compassion for all life"?
>>
>>Looking forward to your
>> bobbing and weaving response - if you have any response at
>> all.
>>
>>-Scott
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Original Message ----
>>From: Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>To: Nick
>> Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Sent: Friday,
>> January 26, 2007 5:42:19 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Compassion for All
>> Life
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick, your revered logic would dictate to me that
>> the ONLY species out of how many millions on this planet that is
>> capable
>>of
>> sending space probes beyond the solar system, composing great works of
>> literature or carving David from solid marble, is reasonably viewed as
>> superior to the other lesser endowed species. Is our existence no more
>> remarkable than a muskrat when we can compose poetry or construct the
>>Twin
>> Towers?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, human being is a biological category, but
>> one of extraordinary uniqueness, endowed over and above the others in a
>>myriad
>> of ways. They are also, according to our Declaration, deserving of and
>> endowed with, certain unalienable rights, one of which is the right to
>> life. And therein your dilemma. You can cling tenaciously to an
>> irrelevancy, are they persons or non persons, but you cannot deny their
>> humanity. It seems Nick, that you pick and choose which written
>> declarations you will adhere to. I suppose we all must. Is the
>> Supreme Court the entity I most trust in deciding these matters, or do
>> I
>>rely
>> on the wisdom of those who drafted the Declaration of Independence and
>>our
>> Constitution? Guess I'll stick with the latter. You apparently
>> prefer the former, as is your right. I will continue to oppose the
>> premeditated killing of innocent human beings, but I am willing to
>> agree
>>to
>> disagree with you if you choose a different path.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> -Tony
>>
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