[Vision2020] Doug Wilson Interview

Sat Jan 27 00:42:57 PST 2007

I second that.
When the action of measurement itself affects what is measured. It’s and art 
to make compensation. Assumption sneaks right in there. These eventually 
make their way into legend, as with the Coyote stories of indigenous folk.
Yes, I think Wayne hits too hard and sometimes seemingly from out of no 
place. But then,  would point the same finger at his usual point of focus.
If I remember correctly Andreas had serious difficulty with the imagery that 
Wayne used and referred to someone (Doug F.?) as being eaten and then 
becoming a Mushroom.
That may have come across as Sociopathic to Andreas and a great many others. 
I saw that as an aggressive warning about what Doug ? was involved in and 
not as a aggressive threat against a person by Wayne. There is a difference. 
But could understand how the message could be mistaken.  Nice pictures 
though.
One doe’s not have to agree with the message to see that Wayne’s garbage can 
graphic could be easily be marketable political lampooning.
Is it over the top? By my measure not anymore so than who he contends with.
We all do need to try to uphold as high standard as we each can.
Dave

>
>Don't be quiet!  I've enjoyed your intelligent contributions to
>Vision2020...
>
>I just don't like people being called "nut jobs."  I already gave a brief
>explanation why...
>
>Have I ever said something like this?  Yes, numerous times.  But I still
>think it is wrong, and I try to avoid viewing people this way...
>
>Everyone has their story to tell.  When viewing the world through someones
>unique life history combined with their Weltanschauung, what seems "crazy"
>is often understandable:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view#Religious_worldviews
>
>Though sometimes I have thought Wayne's posts were over the line, or
>annoying in one way or another, I have usually found he gives a thoughtful
>coherent account of his ideas.
>
>I suppose some of his posts have also been "pugilistic," as you put it.
>.
>Ted Moffett
>
>
>On 1/25/07, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>On 1/25/07, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Andreas et. al.
>> >
>> > Why make a personalized derogatory attack on Wayne, when responding to
>> > content I authored to engage Chas in discussion on Wilson's interview?
>> > Wayne's mental health was not specifically a part of that discussion in
>>that
>> > post, nor do I think it relevant to the general discussion of Wilson's
>> > interview, nor do I think that you are qualified to make an assessment
>> > regarding Wayne's mental health on a public list serve, or privately,
>>for
>> > that matter.
>> >
>> > I'd rather not have my Vision2020 post content linked with a 
>>declaration
>> > that someone is a "nut job," regardless of their mental health or the
>>lack
>> > thereof.  I'd rather not read any Vision2020 posts that declare anyone
>>to be
>> > a "nut job," regardless of what behavior they are engaging in that 
>>might
>> > suggest mental illness.
>> >
>> > If you don't have the presence of mind to first check whether you are
>> > sending a private or list serve message before calling someone a "nut
>>job"
>> > in an e-mail, an insulting and potentially very hurtful and demeaning
>> > statement, that in an ideal world would never be uttered, especially if
>> > aimed at someone who really does have a mental illness, you might
>>reconsider
>> > the wisdom of your psychoanalysis of Wayne's psyche, in light of your
>>own
>> > shortcomings.
>> >
>> > Ted Moffett
>>
>>Ted --
>>
>>I've never been unclear that I'm uncomfortable with people trying to
>>enforce real, life-altering consequences against people for
>>disagreeing with them on the Internet. Wayne's done that, and I
>>consider it a pretty important line to have crossed, even against
>>people whom I don't particularly care for, and whom I have never been
>>unclear that I don't particularly care for. Now, Wayne tells me he has
>>a good explanation for this -- but I'm not sure what it would be.
>>
>>I've also got to say that I've Sista Souljah'd Wayne a little
>>unfairly: Dale's attempt to get Tom fired, and Doug's below-the-belt
>>sniping at J Ford cross exactly the same line in exactly the same way.
>>The fact that I work in a somewhat obscure sector and that very few
>>people here actually know me has, I think, prevented people from going
>>after me the saem way, but I've got a fairly long written record.
>>
>>I've always been a, well, pugilistic participant in the dialog here.
>>I'll take credit for that. But I'd like to think that I always try to
>>stick to the Marquis of Queensbury rules
>>
>>All of this, though, is just beating around the bush; trying to avoid
>>or qualify an apology, which, frankly, is what I owe Wayne. His font
>>annoys me, but I've never been known to come to blows over typography
>>before. And I'm a little more sensitive to what I feel he does wrong
>>because we are effectively on the same side. Still, I've tried to play
>>Internet Police and made a mess of it, exacerbating exactly what I was
>>complaining about. I'll be quiet now.
>>
>>-- ACS
>>

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