[Vision2020] If You Look Young, Don't Buy Spray Paint ;-)

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sun Jan 21 19:28:13 PST 2007 

First of all, Doug (ANY) don't have it in their program to be "rational"

Secondly, as far as I remember there was NEVER any proof that this 
"victimization" ever occurred.  Anyone get pics?  No; fact is when the cops 
got there, all traces of it were totally gone.  CC'ers are very adept at 
calling "Foul (fowl)" and not being able to prove a darn thing ever 
happened.

Third, they don't like it when people not only make sense, but totally prove 
how big a liar they are and Bill is just the one to pick on for this.  He is 
outspoken, articulate and intelligent....all things that stand up to the 
face of Doug's (again ALL) stupidness.


J  :]





>From: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>
>To: heirdoug at netscape.net, kjajmix1 at msn.com, london at moscow.com,        
>sslund at adelphia.net
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] If You Look Young, Don't Buy Spray Paint ;-)
>Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:17:01 +0000
>
>Man oh Man, cleaning the offensive graffiti is nothing, this message is 
>just no good at all.
>Bill, is one of the most hateless persons one can come across. I bet he and 
>the others you list as poster children easily condemn the actual action and 
>declare that the act was socially illegitimate by their personal standards. 
>I suspect, knowing Bill, he has already condemned it in that vein. If so, 
>its completely unfair not to acknowledge that. If not, he needs to make it 
>crystal clear. The H youth script was a horrible thing to have happened. 
>These folks have not not promoted the action in any capacity.  Who can you 
>point to that has promoted the action?
>It is not illegal. And, its not unique to just this community. Why use Bill 
>as a whipping boy over his defense that it was legal? I guess if he 
>defended the legality straight off without also condemning the action at 
>the same time or earlier. That could be perceived as revealing. Considering 
>how wrathful you guys seem to be, it would be an easy jump to a legal 
>defense first. Is that what happened in this instance, or did he do better? 
>What is the truth here.
>  To what minimum standard must Bill and others live up to for you, to get 
>beyond this immediate wrath and rise to another, more rational level?
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Thank you Keely, Saundra, and Bill,
>>
>>For making my point.
>>
>>I have one question. Could either of you three individually, or as a
>>chorus, please define "legitimate speech"? And is "that qualifier"
>>found some where in the Constitiution? (I guess that would be two
>>questions)
>>
>>Do you, as the "collective" voices and poster children of the
>>Intoeristas, define what is legitimate and what is illegitimate? When
>>will we know for sure which it is? I would like to get that memo. (I
>>guess that makes 4 questions in toto, Sorry I learned to count in
>>public school)
>>
>>I await your senergy sayings with stillness! If you wish you can send
>>your answers to Decopauge to color coordinate them!
>>
>>lemeno, Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>And for Saundra, my thanks for posting that again. What great publicity
>>for the lunacy of the left. And from the left!
>>
>>And just because you can't read Right-Mind.... I will be posting may of
>>Dale's profound wisdom and computer prowess regularly..
>>
>>My first installment:
>>
>>Free Speech Redux
>>For my readers who haven’t seen this before, Bill London wrote a Daily
>>News “Town Crier” column back on 14 Sept. 2005 (Don’t Bury Free 
>>Speech
>>In Friendship Square) where he argued that scrawling “Hitler Youth” in
>>chalk in front of NSA is “legitimate and legal speech”.
>>In Venom2020 today, he stands fully by that column.
>>I stand by what I wrote. It is legitimate to use chalk on a public
>>sidewalk to present your political message.
>>It is not legitimate to use spray paint on private property to present
>>you gang wannabe message.
>>If you can't see the difference, I suggest you take a few moments to
>>read the Bill of Rights
>>First, maybe it is London’s turn to read that Amendment again. Where
>>does the qualifier “legitimate speech” come from? Is it only our
>>Intoleristas who are arbiters of what is legitimate speech or not?
>>Given their actions over the last four years, I would say so.
>>Second, in the 27 Sept 2005 edition of the Moscow-Pullman Daily News,
>>Michael O’Neal wrote the following:
>>In his recent Town Crier column (Opinion, Sept. 14), Bill London smugly
>>and triumphantly demonstrates that the “Hitler Youth” graffiti at New
>>Saint Andrews College fails to rise to the level of vandalism and in
>>fact is legally protected free speech.
>>One can only marvel, breathlessly, at the hypocrisy of this position.
>>The issue is not about whether this malicious act meets some legal
>>definition. The issue is much larger and is no less than the ongoing
>>bigotry and two-facedness of some elements of our community. London
>>knows that if someone had scrawled “Ragheads” on the sidewalk outside
>>the Muslim center, or “N----r lovers” outside a human rights office, 
>>we
>>would never hear the end of it – and rightly so. Perhaps such acts,
>>too, would not legally be crimes, but they would deserve the censure of
>>the community, not labored and trivial defenses.
>>In my view, this Town Crier column is more hateful than the original
>>act that prompted it.
>>Michael J. O’Neal, Moscow
>>Hypocrisy is exactly right. Even the Moscow Human Rights Commission
>>denounced this act. They did not trumpet it as an expression of
>>“legitimate speech.”
>>Again: thank you Bill London. I couldn't have paid an Intolerista to
>>say the things in the paper that you did. You made it black-and-white
>>to everyone in Moscow what the real nature of the Intolerista attacks
>>is all about -- and it's not about a love for the code.
>>
>>And thanks for saying it again (and again…). Can I recommend that you
>>write another column in the Daily News trumpeting this position? Please?
>>
>>
>>
>>Published Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:05 PM
>>
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