[Vision2020] If You Look Young, Don't Buy Spray Paint ;-)

[Andreas Schou]

On 1/20/07, heirdoug at netscape.net <heirdoug at netscape.net> wrote:
> Thank you Keely, Saundra, and Bill,
>
> For making my point.
>
> I have one question. Could either of you three individually, or as a
> chorus, please define "legitimate speech"? And is "that qualifier"
> found some where in the Constitiution? (I guess that would be two
> questions)

Doug --

Legitimate speech is when I mail you a letter. However, if I wrap that
letter around a brick and throw it through your living room window,
I've crossed a line from *telling you something* to *damaging your
property*. What is criminal about graffiti is that it damages
property, not that it says something illegal; likewise, what is
criminal about malicious harassment is that it expresses a specific
intent to harm, not that it says something that the state determines
shall not be said.

-- ACS

> Do you, as the "collective" voices and poster children of the
> Intoeristas, define what is legitimate and what is illegitimate? When
> will we know for sure which it is? I would like to get that memo. (I
> guess that makes 4 questions in toto, Sorry I learned to count in
> public school)
>
> I await your senergy sayings with stillness! If you wish you can send
> your answers to Decopauge to color coordinate them!
>
> lemeno, Doug
>
>
>
> And for Saundra, my thanks for posting that again. What great publicity
> for the lunacy of the left. And from the left!
>
> And just because you can't read Right-Mind.... I will be posting may of
> Dale's profound wisdom and computer prowess regularly..
>
> My first installment:
>
> Free Speech Redux
> For my readers who haven't seen this before, Bill London wrote a Daily
> News "Town Crier" column back on 14 Sept. 2005 (Don't Bury Free Speech
> In Friendship Square) where he argued that scrawling "Hitler Youth" in
> chalk in front of NSA is "legitimate and legal speech".
> In Venom2020 today, he stands fully by that column.
> I stand by what I wrote. It is legitimate to use chalk on a public
> sidewalk to present your political message.
> It is not legitimate to use spray paint on private property to present
> you gang wannabe message.
> If you can't see the difference, I suggest you take a few moments to
> read the Bill of Rights
> First, maybe it is London's turn to read that Amendment again. Where
> does the qualifier "legitimate speech" come from? Is it only our
> Intoleristas who are arbiters of what is legitimate speech or not?
> Given their actions over the last four years, I would say so.
> Second, in the 27 Sept 2005 edition of the Moscow-Pullman Daily News,
> Michael O'Neal wrote the following:
> In his recent Town Crier column (Opinion, Sept. 14), Bill London smugly
> and triumphantly demonstrates that the "Hitler Youth" graffiti at New
> Saint Andrews College fails to rise to the level of vandalism and in
> fact is legally protected free speech.
> One can only marvel, breathlessly, at the hypocrisy of this position.
> The issue is not about whether this malicious act meets some legal
> definition. The issue is much larger and is no less than the ongoing
> bigotry and two-facedness of some elements of our community. London
> knows that if someone had scrawled "Ragheads" on the sidewalk outside
> the Muslim center, or "N----r lovers" outside a human rights office, we
> would never hear the end of it – and rightly so. Perhaps such acts,
> too, would not legally be crimes, but they would deserve the censure of
> the community, not labored and trivial defenses.
> In my view, this Town Crier column is more hateful than the original
> act that prompted it.
> Michael J. O'Neal, Moscow
> Hypocrisy is exactly right. Even the Moscow Human Rights Commission
> denounced this act. They did not trumpet it as an expression of
> "legitimate speech."
> Again: thank you Bill London. I couldn't have paid an Intolerista to
> say the things in the paper that you did. You made it black-and-white
> to everyone in Moscow what the real nature of the Intolerista attacks
> is all about -- and it's not about a love for the code.
>
> And thanks for saying it again (and again…). Can I recommend that you
> write another column in the Daily News trumpeting this position? Please?
>
>
>
> Published Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:05 PM
>
>
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