[Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Fri Jan 19 13:19:38 PST 2007
Thanks Chris
I think your comments are correct.
Roger
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From: "Chris Storhok" cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:38:25 -0800
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com, "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink
> What is really needed is a green light from the County Commissioners to
> build a permanent ice rink facility. From the very beginning, the
> current structure was designed to be replaced with a fully enclosed NHL
> size ice rink; yet PIRA/Rotary has not been given permission to move
> forward by the BOCC.
>
> If the county had wasted taxpayer's funds paving a parking lot (only
> because Moscow City Code forces them too) and then rip out the lot a
> year or two later; imagine the howls from indignant tax payers; I know I
> would have yelled as well. Wasting precious tax dollars on a frivolous
> parking lot, one that will also alter the location of activities during
> the fair, is an unfair burden on the county. I believe the City of
> Moscow should allow for some flexibility when dealing with the county.
> The same taxpayers are after all paying for both governments, one would
> hope that the governments work together to maximize resources and reduce
> waste. I know City codes are rigid, maybe they should be amended in
> order to allow for special cases such as this. Paving that parking lot
> at this time in the name crossing the t's and dotting the i's of city
> code is a waste of money that should not be tolerated by citizens of
> either the city or the county.
>
> Chris S.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of lfalen
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:07 AM
> To: Art Deco; Vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink
>
> It is time for everyone to get active. For those that can make it, there
> is a public meeting on the Ice Rink at 2:30 this afternoon in room2B at
> the courthouse. It is after the commissioners executive session.
>
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:39:13 -0800
> To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink
>
> > Mark writes:
> >
> > "I don't know if it's apathy, ignorance of unwillingness. The Rotary
> Pavilion (ice rink) and LHS have been known to need help for years.
> What are the citizens of Moscow & Latah County to do? Are they to be
> pro-active..."
> >
> > I agree. In my opinion the Ice Rink is a valuable asset for the city
> and county for many reasons.
> >
> > There are three parties involved: the city, the county, and the ice
> rink folks. They all share part of the blame for the present situation.
> I hope this problem can be resolved.
> >
> > Most of us would like to see a more proactive on the part of those we
> hire and elect to do the public business on a great number of
> issues/problems. Both the city and the county are still faced with the
> zoning issue of designating more appropriate commercial and light
> industrial zoning space and a host of some other growth related issues.
> >
> > Perhaps, as Mark suggests, some of the fault lies with us ordinary
> citizens. We might start letting the elected officials know more
> vociferously what we want and how badly we want it. We should also let
> them know, especially in the City of Moscow, that we expect a day's work
> for a day's pay at a hardy pace of work from all hired hands.
> >
> > J Ford commented upon the problem of having a city manager who does
> not live in the city (nor in the same state). I generally do not agree
> with laws that require all city/county etc employees to live within the
> entity that employs them. However, I do think that city
> management/administration would improve if the city manager and the
> department heads were required to live within the city. When they are
> forced by their residency to enjoy or suffer the results of their labors
> and hear about them from their friends and neighbors, they will likely
> have a greater appreciation for the issues/problems and are likely to be
> more sensitive to, empathetic of, and more anxious to effectively deal
> with problems that residents must live with 365/24/7.
> >
> >
> > Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> > deco at moscow.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mark seman
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 2:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink
> >
> >
> > I don't know if it's apathy, ignorance of unwillingness. The Rotary
> Pavillion (ice rink) and LHS have been known to need help for years.
> What are the citizens of Moscow & Latah County to do? Are they to be
> pro-active to save and expand upon what they have, or do they just not
> know what's going on, or maybe they just don't want it. I know it's all
> three, actually there's a fourth - those that tried to help. A lot of
> effort has gone into these Places. I hope the scales tip positively and
> people don't give up. Maybe it's just not the right time, and
> discussions in the near future will help determine that. Maybe use
> funds from the John Dickinson Philanthropic Fund for Sustainablity.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > mark r. seman, architect
> > v=928.925.7617
> > f=928.776.9107
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of Tom Ivie
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:58 PM
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink
> >
> >
> > I think that the city has been more than fair in regards to the ice
> rink SUP. They have given the county numerous opportunities to rectify
> the violation. The county, to my knowledge, hasn't ever offered to meet
> with city officials to discuss an amicable resolution. The city is the
> one that has come forward and taken the initiative. The city could have
> acted sooner on the violation,legally as soon as the violation occurred
> in Oct. This recent cease and desist order was pretty generous also.
> They gave the county until the 25th to work something out when they
> could have shut the rink down right then and there (they gave them a
> stay of execution). This gives the city time to work something out with
> the county. I am confident that the Mayor and City Council are doing the
> right thing here and optimistic that an agreement will be made before
> the 25th deadline. I don't believe that the Mayor or anyone on City
> Council wants to shut down the rink. At least it didn't sound!
> like it
> as I watched the council meeting Tuesday night. I am sure it did not
> make Joel Plaskon's job rewarding to have to point out that the
> violation was there or Randy Fife's day to finally have to enforce the
> terms of the SUP.
> >
> > Jerry Weitz <gweitz at moscow.com> wrote:
> > As one of the folks involved in the founding of the ice rink, I am
> not surprised with this city's government. The same thing was done to
> the Alt. School and its defense cost a little over $12,000 in a
> Neighorhood Business Zone. The city's action against the Alt. School was
> is violation of state and federal law. I believe that you will find the
> 1912 (without safe sidewalks) is in violation of city code, but that
> does not seem to matter (I am a supporter of the 1912). Sometimes
> looking past a minor detail at certain junctures is the best for the
> common good. The county is not flush with money. I believe it is time
> for a significant change in city government.
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:13 AM 1/18/07, Tom Ivie wrote:
> >
> > I am sure that the first inclination is to be upset with the
> city because they are the enforcer. Take a step back and analyze the
> situation though. The rink folks are caught in the middle for sure.
> The city has to enforce the violated SUP. The conditions of the SUP
> were agreed to by both the city and county. It is up to the county to
> comply with those conditions. The county knew that non-compliance means
> violating the SUP and what the consequences of that is. The county has
> known for some time now that the city would have to do this and they
> should have been doing something, anything (setup a meeting, etc.) to
> try and rectify the situation. unfortunately, it is the ice rink (a
> third party) that will feel any reprocussions from the situation. I
> believe it is a bump in the road, though, and not the demise of the ice
> rink. It looks like the city is trying to move forward and work with
> the county to resolve the situation as soon as possible. This is
> evident by t!
> he city
> setting up a meeting with the county commissioners on the matter. I am
> sure there are a whole lot of "not happy" ice rink users right now and
> they have good reason to be upset.
> >
> > Chris Storhok <cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Visionaries,
> >
> > My question to all of you is how in the heck does this happen:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > BREAKING NEWS UPDATE: Moscow issues cease-and-desist order
> for ice
> >
> > rink
> >
> > > County has until Jan. 25 to reach agreement on use permit
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Staff report
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - Page Updated at 05:41:27 PM
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The city of Moscow has issued a cease-and-desist order for
> the Moscow
> >
> > > Rotary Veteran's Memorial Pavilion ice rink at the Latah
> County
> >
> > > Fairgrounds.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > A letter signed by City Attorney Randy Fife outlining the
> order was
> >
> > > presented to county commissioners during their Wednesday
> meeting.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The ice rink will be forced to close Jan. 25 at 5 p.m.
> unless county
> >
> > > commissioners can reach an agreement with the city.
> Commissioners have
> >
> > > scheduled a public meeting for 2:30 p.m. Friday to discuss
> the
> >
> > situation.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The city recently notified Latah County it was in violation
> of its
> >
> > special
> >
> > > use permit to operate the ice rink and the Latah County
> Fairgrounds
> >
> > because
> >
> > > it had not defined its parking area around the facility and
> failed to
> >
> > pave
> >
> > > the rink's parking lot by the specified date.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The ice rink operates under a special use permit in the R3,
> or duplex
> >
> > zone.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The county had until Sept. 30 to complete the paving project
> under
> >
> > > stipulations of the special use permit it signed in October
> 2005.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The county has sought permanent status for the fairgrounds
> for years.
> >
> > Every
> >
> > > two to five years it must reapply for a special use permit
> to keep the
> >
> > > grounds open.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The county has put down more gravel in the parking lot and
> plans to
> >
> > install
> >
> > > parking bumpers to show the city it is serious about meeting
> the
> >
> > special
> >
> > > use permit requirements.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney said Fife signed the
> cease-and-desist order
> >
> > > Wednesday afternoon.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > "I think it's in keeping with enforcing the city's laws. It
> did not
> >
> > slam
> >
> > > the door for possibilities of the ice rink," she said. "This
> is a
> >
> > wake-up
> >
> > > call and I hope for the best."
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Chaney said the previous warnings had not resulted in
> compliance by
> >
> > the
> >
> > > county.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > "I am hopeful that a workable, mutually agreeable solution
> may be the
> >
> > end
> >
> > > result," she said.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The City Council voted 3-2 Tuesday to try to organize a
> meeting with
> >
> > Latah
> >
> > > County and Palouse Ice Rink Association officials to work
> toward a
> >
> > > solution.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Chaney said the meeting is still being planned, but a time
> has not
> >
> > been
> >
> > > set.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > County commissioners Jack Nelson and Tom Stroschein declined
> comment
> >
> > on
> >
> > the
> >
> > > matter Wednesday evening. Both said they hadn't had a chance
> to read
> >
> > > through the cease-and-desist order.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > Chris S.
> >
> > N.P. AK
> >
> >
> >
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