[Vision2020] [Spam] Re: [Spam] Re: Information on wolves in Idaho
david sarff
davesway at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 18 20:07:39 PST 2007
Hi Roger,
I don’t think anyone likes the idea of living with a risk of violence, let
alone one that is perceived to be increasing.
But you know, I have to ask this question. Do you think that if having wolfs
around was of direct economic benefit to people, that the issue would be
overlooked?
I know this may seem off point. But I think far more life, cattle, pets,
people…etc are lost to violent deaths by cars every day. And that also
increases as the human population increases.
Not meaning to minimize the concern that is being raised about wolves but
I’m a bit curious about the measurable percentage of wolf threat against
percentage of threats that we cause ourselves and the life around us.
Dave
>
>J
>I have friends in the Soutwick area. I dont know if bears attack livestock
>or not. I have not heard of it being a problem.
>There is verification of kills by wolves as evidenced by their tracks at
>the carcass.
>As to attacks on dogs it has been documented by hunters at Grangeville of
>such attacks. My brother-in law has seen them attack his dogs at Fairfield.
>One also charged him near his cabin. He ran inside and shot the wolf
>through the window.
>My brother In Nevada has been working with the National Cattlesmens
>Association on the wolf problem. I will see what information I can get
>from him.
>-----Original message-----
>From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:08:01 -0800
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] [Spam] Re: Information on wolves in Idaho
>
> > At what rate; and can it be verified either by eye-witness sightings or
> > carcass remains? Isn't it possible that bear is also responsible? Or
> > people? To many variables and uncertainties with your statement.
> >
> >
> > J :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > >Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: [Vision2020] [Spam] Re: Information on wolves in Idaho
> > >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:57:36 -0800
> > >
> > >I don't know about the Palouse, but they are in the Southwick area and
> > >people are losing livestock there.
> > >
> > >Roger
> > >-----Original message-----
> > >From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:43:12 -0800
> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] Information on wolves in Idaho
> > >
> > > > Wolf/coyote - who can tell? With eyes that clearly are so far right
> > > > situated, it can get confusing and hard to see clearly, yes?
> > > >
> > > > Has there EVER been a report of a wolf on the Palouse in the past 10
> > >years?
> > > >
> > > > J :]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> > > > >To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Jennifer
>McFarland"
> > > > ><jmcfarland at latah.id.us>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Information on wolves in Idaho
> > > > >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:35:26 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Pat writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >"We have many locals at the base of Moscow Mt who have seen wolves
>and
> > >had
> > > > >problems with loss of pets etc. It is local!"
> > > > >
> > > > >I live on Moscow Mountain and interact with many who live here also
>and
> > >who
> > > > >spend time in woods on a frequent basis. I have not heard of one
> > >confirmed
> > > > >case of anyone losing a pet to a wolf. Owls, hawks, and eagles
>have
> > >taken
> > > > >a number of cats and small dogs. In two cases a cougar got a dog
>that
> > >was
> > > > >running loose. Coyotes have also preyed upon pets mostly by a pack
> > >luring
> > > > >loose dogs away from their homes, then attacking them, or a single
> > >coyote
> > > > >occasionally snatching a small dog or cat. Bobcats have also taken
> > >some
> > > > >small dogs and cats. In one case a deer with a fawn kicked a dog
>to
> > >death
> > > > >that was menacing the fawn. Dogs that menace moose are also in for
>an
> > > > >unpleasant, if not fatal surprise.
> > > > >
> > > > >There is little doubt that parts of Moscow Mountain fall within the
> > >very
> > > > >large ranges of a few wolves. Hence, there have been occasional
> > >sightings
> > > > >of wolves or wolf signs. So far as I know there is no eyewitness
>or
> > > > >reliable evidence of wolves preying upon pets on Moscow Mountain.
> > > > >
> > > > >Perhaps Pat you can supply some reliable witnesses to back up your
> > >claim.
> > > > >Do not however offer Jim Hagadorn who sees wolves in every shadow
>and
> > > > >blames all most wildlife trouble on them, not unlike the 1960s
> > > > >right-wingers who blamed all our country's problems on communist
> > > > >infiltration. Except within a small band of rabid hunters,
>Hagadorn
> > >has no
> > > > >credibility on this issue.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am copying Jennifer McFarland with the hope that she forward this
> > >post to
> > > > >the local Fish and Game Officer who might be able to offer more
> > >information
> > > > >on your claim. Mark Solomon who lives on the opposite end of the
> > >mountain
> > > > >from ourselves may also have some pertinent information he might
> > >share.
> > > > >
> > > > >By spreading gross, prejudicial misinformation, the ability to deal
> > > > >rationally with the wolf issue is severely crippled.
> > > > >
> > > > >W.
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> > > > >To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:11 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Information on wolves in Idaho
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have many locals at the base of Moscow Mt who have seen
>wolves
> > >and
> > > > >had
> > > > > > problems with loss of pets etc. It is local!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:39 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Information on wolves in Idaho
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.idahowolves.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This website was sent to me by one of the groups that sponsors
>the
> > > > > > site. I found the information in it very interesting and
>helpful.
> > >I
> > > > > > recommend anyone that is interested in the topic of wolves and
>how
> > >they
> > > > > > affect the elk population in Idaho and other related topics to
>take
> > >a
> > > > >look.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do people here feel about this? Is this mostly a southern
>Idaho
> > > > > > concern?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
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