[Vision2020] [Spam] Re: [Spam] Re: Information on wolves in Idaho
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 18 14:36:45 PST 2007
Cool. Thanks to both you and Chris S.
Not denying these incidents occur...Lord knows, in Alaska, Montana, Utah
even, enough people have had close calls and actual run-ins. However, it
was MAN who took them away and MAN who re-introduced them to the area and
now its MAN who is complaining because the wolf is just doing what comes
naturally - hunting. If we would just learn to leave nature alone, it'd
take care of itself rather well. But nnnoooooooo! We have to continually
mess with it and say "we know better" and then p**s and moan about it when
our plans back-fire.
Sheesh!
I look forward to seeing your results.
J :]
>From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] [Spam] Re: [Spam] Re: Information on wolves in Idaho
>Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:40:32 -0800
>
>J
>I have friends in the Soutwick area. I dont know if bears attack livestock
>or not. I have not heard of it being a problem.
>There is verification of kills by wolves as evidenced by their tracks at
>the carcass.
>As to attacks on dogs it has been documented by hunters at Grangeville of
>such attacks. My brother-in law has seen them attack his dogs at Fairfield.
>One also charged him near his cabin. He ran inside and shot the wolf
>through the window.
>My brother In Nevada has been working with the National Cattlesmens
>Association on the wolf problem. I will see what information I can get
>from him.
>-----Original message-----
>From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:08:01 -0800
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] [Spam] Re: Information on wolves in Idaho
>
> > At what rate; and can it be verified either by eye-witness sightings or
> > carcass remains? Isn't it possible that bear is also responsible? Or
> > people? To many variables and uncertainties with your statement.
> >
> >
> > J :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > >Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: [Vision2020] [Spam] Re: Information on wolves in Idaho
> > >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:57:36 -0800
> > >
> > >I don't know about the Palouse, but they are in the Southwick area and
> > >people are losing livestock there.
> > >
> > >Roger
> > >-----Original message-----
> > >From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:43:12 -0800
> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] Information on wolves in Idaho
> > >
> > > > Wolf/coyote - who can tell? With eyes that clearly are so far right
> > > > situated, it can get confusing and hard to see clearly, yes?
> > > >
> > > > Has there EVER been a report of a wolf on the Palouse in the past 10
> > >years?
> > > >
> > > > J :]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> > > > >To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Jennifer
>McFarland"
> > > > ><jmcfarland at latah.id.us>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Information on wolves in Idaho
> > > > >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:35:26 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Pat writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >"We have many locals at the base of Moscow Mt who have seen wolves
>and
> > >had
> > > > >problems with loss of pets etc. It is local!"
> > > > >
> > > > >I live on Moscow Mountain and interact with many who live here also
>and
> > >who
> > > > >spend time in woods on a frequent basis. I have not heard of one
> > >confirmed
> > > > >case of anyone losing a pet to a wolf. Owls, hawks, and eagles
>have
> > >taken
> > > > >a number of cats and small dogs. In two cases a cougar got a dog
>that
> > >was
> > > > >running loose. Coyotes have also preyed upon pets mostly by a pack
> > >luring
> > > > >loose dogs away from their homes, then attacking them, or a single
> > >coyote
> > > > >occasionally snatching a small dog or cat. Bobcats have also taken
> > >some
> > > > >small dogs and cats. In one case a deer with a fawn kicked a dog
>to
> > >death
> > > > >that was menacing the fawn. Dogs that menace moose are also in for
>an
> > > > >unpleasant, if not fatal surprise.
> > > > >
> > > > >There is little doubt that parts of Moscow Mountain fall within the
> > >very
> > > > >large ranges of a few wolves. Hence, there have been occasional
> > >sightings
> > > > >of wolves or wolf signs. So far as I know there is no eyewitness
>or
> > > > >reliable evidence of wolves preying upon pets on Moscow Mountain.
> > > > >
> > > > >Perhaps Pat you can supply some reliable witnesses to back up your
> > >claim.
> > > > >Do not however offer Jim Hagadorn who sees wolves in every shadow
>and
> > > > >blames all most wildlife trouble on them, not unlike the 1960s
> > > > >right-wingers who blamed all our country's problems on communist
> > > > >infiltration. Except within a small band of rabid hunters,
>Hagadorn
> > >has no
> > > > >credibility on this issue.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am copying Jennifer McFarland with the hope that she forward this
> > >post to
> > > > >the local Fish and Game Officer who might be able to offer more
> > >information
> > > > >on your claim. Mark Solomon who lives on the opposite end of the
> > >mountain
> > > > >from ourselves may also have some pertinent information he might
> > >share.
> > > > >
> > > > >By spreading gross, prejudicial misinformation, the ability to deal
> > > > >rationally with the wolf issue is severely crippled.
> > > > >
> > > > >W.
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> > > > >To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:11 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Information on wolves in Idaho
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have many locals at the base of Moscow Mt who have seen
>wolves
> > >and
> > > > >had
> > > > > > problems with loss of pets etc. It is local!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:39 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Information on wolves in Idaho
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.idahowolves.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This website was sent to me by one of the groups that sponsors
>the
> > > > > > site. I found the information in it very interesting and
>helpful.
> > >I
> > > > > > recommend anyone that is interested in the topic of wolves and
>how
> > >they
> > > > > > affect the elk population in Idaho and other related topics to
>take
> > >a
> > > > >look.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do people here feel about this? Is this mostly a southern
>Idaho
> > > > > > concern?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
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