[Vision2020] development (was Brady)

Sue Hovey suehovey at moscow.com
Mon Jan 15 16:30:49 PST 2007 

Well you could buy me the latte and offer Anita a firm handshake.

Sue
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <anitasonriente at aol.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] development (was Brady)


> It wasn't my intention to suggest that you were too dense to understand 
> the
> issue, Anita.  My thought was that sometimes opponents of the developments
> there were not as clear as they could be.  No offense intended.
>
> It might surprise you to know that I have no problem with James Toyota
> relocating there; with Moscow's city limit kissing the state line on the
> west and not much development potential east, it's hardly a surprise that
> the dealership, wanting to grow and to serve both communities, would 
> expand
> into Washington.  Short of taking over the Applebee's parking lot, it's 
> all
> they can do.  If, for example, the state line were equidistant between
> Moscow and Pullman, I'd be willing to bet that they'd prefer to be in 
> Idaho.
>  It isn't, though, and if they want to expand, their options are limited.
> I wish James Toyota could go someplace else, because I like the idea of
> keeping Moscow and Pullman separated by farmlands.  It's not likely to
> happen, though, given that the only significant traffic into Moscow is
> either from 95 south or the Pullman Road, which allows no "in-Idaho"
> expansion to the west.
>
> I don't understand your concern about coffee shops downtown.  I realize 
> that
> Moscow's economic future is greatly enhanced but not utterly dependent on
> small, locally-owned businesses.  What makes Moscow as wonderful as it is 
> is
> the proliferation of people-oriented, walkable, locally-owned outlets that
> appear to not only exist, but thrive.  But downtown doesn't meet every 
> need
> people have, and the options appear to be either consume less (not likely
> for most people), shop online (and direct all dollars out of our 
> community),
> or allow for retail expansion, which keeps at least some money around 
> here.
> I intend to buy all of my home improvement products from Moscow Building
> Supply regardless of how many Lowe's and Home Depots are built here, but 
> if
> there were no MBS, I'd rather shop at the nationally-owned stores than go
> online for, say, replacement hardware for my vintage cabinets.
>
> I'm not an economist, and my liberal tendencies don't incline towards
> assuming that all development is bad (that high school thing, again!), but
> it's a tricky issue and I don't think the City Council and other
> environmental/community activists' concerns can be easily dismissed by
> charges that they're just "no-growth zealots."  Likewise, all development,
> like all economic growth, isn't good.  I'm glad we have people who care
> enough to fight what they see as harmful, even if we ultimately disagree.
>
> So, again -- sorry I offended you.  I sense that offering to buy you a 
> latte
> downtown probably isn't something you'd welcome, but the offer is sincere.
>
> keely
>
>
> From: anitasonriente at aol.com
> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:55:30 -0500
>
> Keely,
>
> I am not confused by any matter.  Thanks for the thought though.  I am 
> quite
> capable of understanding things.  Truly how bad of an impact is building
> this mall and the James Toyota dealership going to be on the water?  It 
> was
> my understanding that the study had already been done and everything was 
> in
> compliance.  The amount of coffee shops in downtown Moscow are ridiculous!
> Foot traffic?  Big deal!  Tell me how having all of these cofee shops
> downtown benefit downtown Moscow.
>
> Essentially, the City of Moscow needs to take care of things in their own
> front yard before barking and complaining about someone elses.
>
> ~Anita
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> To: anitasonriente at aol.com
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>
>
> You don't sound bitter, just concerned -- and maybe confused about what 
> our
> concerns are. Coffee shops (and yes, there are a lot) don't impact the
> environment, particularly the water supply, in the same way that huge 
> retail
> complexes do. The coffee shops downtown allow for a great deal of foot
> traffic, whereas not many people will walk to the big boxes. And while I
> strongly supported the construction of a new high school out on the Trail
> property northeast of town, it was because of the enormous benefit to the
> community, a benefit that I don't see from out-of-town retail behemoths.
>
> But welcome to the fray!
>
> keely
>
> From: anitasonriente at aol.com
> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:51:37 -0500
>
> Keely,
>
> If Moscow suffers economically from the impact, then it should fall on the
> shoulders of the city council. They are the ones that do not want the new
> business'. And besides, Whitman County is being smart.....they want to 
> grow
> with the times and they realize that by bringing these retail shops in, 
> they
> are not only keeping business local, they would have more jobs for their
> community, etc. Oh yeah, but did I mention that Moscow hasn't kept out the
> coffee shops? If I seem "bitter", it is because I would like to see Moscow
> grow as I live here and I believe in my city and I shop locally. But when
> you can go down main street and there are 8 places within a block that are
> either coffee shops or they are restaurants that sell coffees, ie mocha's,
> lattee's, etc., it gets to be a bit much.
>
> Anita :)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> To: anitasonriente at aol.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 8:18 PM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>
> I think, smiling Anita, that a lot of folks believe that Moscow would 
> suffer
> from the impact of a huge strip mall between here and Pullman. The state
> line separates jurisdictions; it doesn't eliminate threats or risks from 
> out
> of state.
>
> keely
>
> From: anitasonriente at aol.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:33:13 -0500
>
> I feel that Kai has made a very valid point. To some the hand shake may 
> seam
> trivial, but I was always taught that making a good first impression is 
> very
> important. The politicians know when they step into the political arena 
> that
> they will be embarking on a long grueling journey with long hours, bad 
> food,
> and even bad breathe for that matter. To make excuses as to why Brady had 
> a
> limp hand shake is simply that....an excuse. I have a hard time with
> politicians in general because I simply do not believe a word they say. 
> For
> example, tell me how many of the fine City of Moscow city council members
> are acting on what they promised in their campaigns? They were going to 
> make
> Moscow even better. What, with a another coffee shop downtown? Maybe 
> instead
> of Mayor Chaney and the Moscow City Council sticking their noses in the
> happenings of events going on accross the border in Washington, perhaps 
> they
> should keep their vision on what is better for Moscow and go back to what!
>   they promised us, the voters during their campaigning :)
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