[Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply toWhitman(ordothey?)

mark seman baukunst at moscow.com
Mon Jan 15 11:33:31 PST 2007


for a landowner wanting to cash out the scenerio might be multiple buying
partners - a conservancy org., farm co-op, land developer, and others.  they
might each have their own "special interests" as well as a collaborative
"global interest."  it might be a more difficult process to find such
partners, but organized stakeholders can provide a viable option to the
one-for-all or nothing.

mark


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  -----Original Message-----
  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of g. crabtree
  Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:54 AM
  To: Craine Kit; Vision 2020
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply
toWhitman(ordothey?)


  What would be the incentive for the property owner to allow his land to be
tied up in this manner? How is a number/value arrived at for the development
rights? Can you provide an example of where this has been "successful
elsewhere" along with the details? I can see how this would work for
farmers/land owners who really do not want to let their land go but for a
owner who might be looking to cash out, I do not see what incentive he would
have to participate. Or is this a program where saying no thank you is not
an option?

  g
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Craine Kit" <kcraine at verizon.net>
  To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
  Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
Whitman(ordothey?)


  > Given that the Palouse has very valuable agricultural soils and that
  > once these are disturbed they lose productivity, perhaps we should
  > protect them by using an approach that has be successful elsewhere:
  > as a community, we buy the development rights. In other words, we pay
  > farmers to keep their land in production. If, at some point in time,
  > the community as a whole prefers development over agriculture, we can
  > sell the rights and perhaps make a profit on our investment.
  >
  > Kit Craine
  >
  > On Jan 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM, g. crabtree wrote:
  >
  >> Dave says:
  >>
  >> "they (Latah/Whitman co. farmers, presumably) are using their land
  >> (as) a lever to maximize profits as they know best, trying to
  >> protect their futures."
  >> and
  >>
  >> "The ag community needs to break its monoculturalistic thinking and
  >> adopt
  >> sustainability principles."
  >>
  >> Who are we to tell the owners of "the most valuable resource in the
  >> area", the palouse soil, how and what to think? As land owners I am
  >> certain that they have given the matter more than a little bit of
  >> thought. If what you say is truly what you believe, would I be
  >> correct in assuming that you are acquiring farm land as it becomes
  >> available and putting your "sustainability principles" into
  >> practice? If not, why? If you are, could you please share with us
  >> the details of your experience and  profitability?
  >>
  >> g
  >>
  >> ----- Original Message -----
  >> From: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>
  >> To: <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>;
  >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
  >> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:36 AM
  >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
  >> Whitman(ordothey?)
  >>
  >> > Matt et.al
  >> >
  >> > I'm not so sure that it's a Whitman County vs. City of Moscow
  >> fight; It's a
  >> > constituency struggle.  What we have are some city folks who want
  >> to live in
  >> > one kind of surroundings and they are surrounded by a pack of
  >> farmers who
  >> > are tired of being pressured and wrestling with economic
  >> realities. Looking
  >> > out for themselves, they are using their land a lever to maximize
  >> profits as
  >> > they know best, trying to protect their futures.
  >> > What I would prefer is that city retain its agricultural
  >> foundations and
  >> > integrate them more fully back into the community. Put the farmer
  >> square in
  >> > the middle of the community. There are some small signs in town,
  >> that this
  >> > is trying to happen.
  >> > The ag community needs to break its monoculturalistic thinking
  >> and adopt
  >> > sustainability principles.
  >> > The Palouse soil is the most valuable natural resource in the
  >> area, if we
  >> > don't work to utilize and enhance this medium, we will all loose.
  >> > Don't pave Paradise.
  >> > Dave
  >> >
  >> >>Tom,
  >> >>
  >> >>What a great post. I only hope more of these come out in the near
  >> future.
  >> >>
  >> >>And cheers to Whitman for not allowing Moscow to bully them with
  >> silly
  >> >>excuses and agendas.
  >> >>
  >> >>Matt
  >> >>
  >> >>
  >> >> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
  >> >> >To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
  >> >> >Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
  >> Whitman (or
  >> >> >dothey?)
  >> >> >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:47:52 -0800
  >> >> >
  >> >> > >From today's (January 13, 2007) Moscow-Pullman Daily News -
  >> >> >
  >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------
  >> >> >
  >> >> >OUR VIEW: Moscow's growth policies don't apply to Whitman
  >> >> >
  >> >> >By Murf Raquet, for the editorial board
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Saturday, January 13, 2007 - Page Updated at 10:20:50 PM
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Political boundaries on the Palouse are clear.Moscow city
  >> limits extend
  >> >>to
  >> >> >the Washington state border as does the eastern edge of Whitman
  >> County.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Both entities have their own regulations to follow when it
  >> comes to
  >> >> >development. Often those rules are similar in that they require
  >> >>development
  >> >> >plans to undergo sufficient public scrutiny to protect the
  >> environment.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >It's time for Moscow to recognize that Whitman County is perfectly
  >> >>capable
  >> >> >of determining how and what acreage is developed within it
  >> borders.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Whitman County has all but cleared the way for the Hawkins
  >> Companies of
  >> >> >Boise to develop a 600,000-square-foot retail center along the
  >> >> >Pullman-Moscow corridor. The center would abut the state line
  >> and Moscow.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Moscow registered concerns about the effects the development
  >> would have
  >> >>on
  >> >> >the aquifers, wetlands and traffic.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Those concerns and others were addressed through the Washington
  >> State
  >> >> >Environmental Policy Act, an environmental assessment procedure
  >> that is
  >> >>one
  >> >> >of the more stringent in the nation.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Whitman County had no legal obligation to consider Moscow's
  >> concerns but
  >> >> >did
  >> >> >so because of Moscow's proximity to the development.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >That was the right thing to do.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >"Moscow is our very close neighbor," said Whitman County
  >> Prosecutor Denis
  >> >> >Tracy. "We have taken extensive steps to take their concerns into
  >> >> >consideration. If they have any concerns that are not part of
  >> the SEPA
  >> >> >review the county hopes Moscow will pick up the phone and we
  >> can talk
  >> >>about
  >> >> >their concerns."
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Dialogue is a fine way to resolve problems.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Now, Moscow must accept the SEPA conclusion and not drag the issue
  >> >>through
  >> >> >the court system.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Moscow has every right to determine growth policy within its
  >> city limits.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >We hope the city can restrain itself in the future if the urge
  >> to impose
  >> >> >its
  >> >> >standards elsewhere pops up again.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------
  >> >> >
  >> >> >My concern is not with what facilities are built on
  >> Washington's side of
  >> >> >the
  >> >> >line, but what resources are used by those resources.  As has been
  >> >> >discussed
  >> >> >here on Vision 2020, Moscow and Pullman share a common
  >> aquifer.  The
  >> >> >primary
  >> >> >concern, in relation to the aquifer and facilities built on
  >> either side
  >> >>of
  >> >> >the state line, is the "right to use" of that aquifer.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >As discussed by guests Rocky Barker, environmental reporter (Idaho
  >> >> >Statesman), State Senator Charles Coiner (R-Twin Falls), and Prof.
  >> >>Barbara
  >> >> >Cosens, University of Idaho Law School, when "Mary in Moscow"
  >> called in
  >> >>on
  >> >> >Thursday's Idaho Public Television's "Dialogue" program, this
  >> decision
  >> >>may
  >> >> >not be made locally, but by the US Supreme Court.
  >> >> >
  >> >> >http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Dialogue_011107_01.mp3
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Thoughts?
  >> >> >
  >> >> >Tom Hansen
  >> >> >Moscow, Idaho
  >> >> >
  >> >> >"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
  >> it to
  >> >>change
  >> >> >and the REALIST adjusts his sails."
  >> >> >
  >> >> >- Unknown
  >> >> >
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