[Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply toWhitman(ordothey?)
mark seman
baukunst at moscow.com
Mon Jan 15 11:33:31 PST 2007
for a landowner wanting to cash out the scenerio might be multiple buying
partners - a conservancy org., farm co-op, land developer, and others. they
might each have their own "special interests" as well as a collaborative
"global interest." it might be a more difficult process to find such
partners, but organized stakeholders can provide a viable option to the
one-for-all or nothing.
mark
mark r. seman, architect
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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:54 AM
To: Craine Kit; Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply
toWhitman(ordothey?)
What would be the incentive for the property owner to allow his land to be
tied up in this manner? How is a number/value arrived at for the development
rights? Can you provide an example of where this has been "successful
elsewhere" along with the details? I can see how this would work for
farmers/land owners who really do not want to let their land go but for a
owner who might be looking to cash out, I do not see what incentive he would
have to participate. Or is this a program where saying no thank you is not
an option?
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craine Kit" <kcraine at verizon.net>
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
Whitman(ordothey?)
> Given that the Palouse has very valuable agricultural soils and that
> once these are disturbed they lose productivity, perhaps we should
> protect them by using an approach that has be successful elsewhere:
> as a community, we buy the development rights. In other words, we pay
> farmers to keep their land in production. If, at some point in time,
> the community as a whole prefers development over agriculture, we can
> sell the rights and perhaps make a profit on our investment.
>
> Kit Craine
>
> On Jan 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM, g. crabtree wrote:
>
>> Dave says:
>>
>> "they (Latah/Whitman co. farmers, presumably) are using their land
>> (as) a lever to maximize profits as they know best, trying to
>> protect their futures."
>> and
>>
>> "The ag community needs to break its monoculturalistic thinking and
>> adopt
>> sustainability principles."
>>
>> Who are we to tell the owners of "the most valuable resource in the
>> area", the palouse soil, how and what to think? As land owners I am
>> certain that they have given the matter more than a little bit of
>> thought. If what you say is truly what you believe, would I be
>> correct in assuming that you are acquiring farm land as it becomes
>> available and putting your "sustainability principles" into
>> practice? If not, why? If you are, could you please share with us
>> the details of your experience and profitability?
>>
>> g
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>
>> To: <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>;
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
>> Whitman(ordothey?)
>>
>> > Matt et.al
>> >
>> > I'm not so sure that it's a Whitman County vs. City of Moscow
>> fight; It's a
>> > constituency struggle. What we have are some city folks who want
>> to live in
>> > one kind of surroundings and they are surrounded by a pack of
>> farmers who
>> > are tired of being pressured and wrestling with economic
>> realities. Looking
>> > out for themselves, they are using their land a lever to maximize
>> profits as
>> > they know best, trying to protect their futures.
>> > What I would prefer is that city retain its agricultural
>> foundations and
>> > integrate them more fully back into the community. Put the farmer
>> square in
>> > the middle of the community. There are some small signs in town,
>> that this
>> > is trying to happen.
>> > The ag community needs to break its monoculturalistic thinking
>> and adopt
>> > sustainability principles.
>> > The Palouse soil is the most valuable natural resource in the
>> area, if we
>> > don't work to utilize and enhance this medium, we will all loose.
>> > Don't pave Paradise.
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >>Tom,
>> >>
>> >>What a great post. I only hope more of these come out in the near
>> future.
>> >>
>> >>And cheers to Whitman for not allowing Moscow to bully them with
>> silly
>> >>excuses and agendas.
>> >>
>> >>Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> >> >To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> >Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
>> Whitman (or
>> >> >dothey?)
>> >> >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:47:52 -0800
>> >> >
>> >> > >From today's (January 13, 2007) Moscow-Pullman Daily News -
>> >> >
>> >> >------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> >OUR VIEW: Moscow's growth policies don't apply to Whitman
>> >> >
>> >> >By Murf Raquet, for the editorial board
>> >> >
>> >> >Saturday, January 13, 2007 - Page Updated at 10:20:50 PM
>> >> >
>> >> >Political boundaries on the Palouse are clear.Moscow city
>> limits extend
>> >>to
>> >> >the Washington state border as does the eastern edge of Whitman
>> County.
>> >> >
>> >> >Both entities have their own regulations to follow when it
>> comes to
>> >> >development. Often those rules are similar in that they require
>> >>development
>> >> >plans to undergo sufficient public scrutiny to protect the
>> environment.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's time for Moscow to recognize that Whitman County is perfectly
>> >>capable
>> >> >of determining how and what acreage is developed within it
>> borders.
>> >> >
>> >> >Whitman County has all but cleared the way for the Hawkins
>> Companies of
>> >> >Boise to develop a 600,000-square-foot retail center along the
>> >> >Pullman-Moscow corridor. The center would abut the state line
>> and Moscow.
>> >> >
>> >> >Moscow registered concerns about the effects the development
>> would have
>> >>on
>> >> >the aquifers, wetlands and traffic.
>> >> >
>> >> >Those concerns and others were addressed through the Washington
>> State
>> >> >Environmental Policy Act, an environmental assessment procedure
>> that is
>> >>one
>> >> >of the more stringent in the nation.
>> >> >
>> >> >Whitman County had no legal obligation to consider Moscow's
>> concerns but
>> >> >did
>> >> >so because of Moscow's proximity to the development.
>> >> >
>> >> >That was the right thing to do.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Moscow is our very close neighbor," said Whitman County
>> Prosecutor Denis
>> >> >Tracy. "We have taken extensive steps to take their concerns into
>> >> >consideration. If they have any concerns that are not part of
>> the SEPA
>> >> >review the county hopes Moscow will pick up the phone and we
>> can talk
>> >>about
>> >> >their concerns."
>> >> >
>> >> >Dialogue is a fine way to resolve problems.
>> >> >
>> >> >Now, Moscow must accept the SEPA conclusion and not drag the issue
>> >>through
>> >> >the court system.
>> >> >
>> >> >Moscow has every right to determine growth policy within its
>> city limits.
>> >> >
>> >> >We hope the city can restrain itself in the future if the urge
>> to impose
>> >> >its
>> >> >standards elsewhere pops up again.
>> >> >
>> >> >------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> >My concern is not with what facilities are built on
>> Washington's side of
>> >> >the
>> >> >line, but what resources are used by those resources. As has been
>> >> >discussed
>> >> >here on Vision 2020, Moscow and Pullman share a common
>> aquifer. The
>> >> >primary
>> >> >concern, in relation to the aquifer and facilities built on
>> either side
>> >>of
>> >> >the state line, is the "right to use" of that aquifer.
>> >> >
>> >> >As discussed by guests Rocky Barker, environmental reporter (Idaho
>> >> >Statesman), State Senator Charles Coiner (R-Twin Falls), and Prof.
>> >>Barbara
>> >> >Cosens, University of Idaho Law School, when "Mary in Moscow"
>> called in
>> >>on
>> >> >Thursday's Idaho Public Television's "Dialogue" program, this
>> decision
>> >>may
>> >> >not be made locally, but by the US Supreme Court.
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Dialogue_011107_01.mp3
>> >> >
>> >> >Thoughts?
>> >> >
>> >> >Tom Hansen
>> >> >Moscow, Idaho
>> >> >
>> >> >"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
>> it to
>> >>change
>> >> >and the REALIST adjusts his sails."
>> >> >
>> >> >- Unknown
>> >> >
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