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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=296282419-15012007>for a
landowner wanting to cash out the scenerio might be multiple buying partners - a
conservancy org., farm co-op, land developer, and others. they might each
have their own "special interests" as well as a collaborative "global
interest." it might be a more difficult process to find such partners, but
organized stakeholders can provide a viable option to the one-for-all or
nothing.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>g. crabtree<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 15, 2007 10:54
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Craine Kit; Vision 2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply toWhitman(ordothey?)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What would be the incentive for the property
owner to allow his land to be tied up in this manner? How is a number/value
arrived at for the development rights? Can you provide an example of where
this has been "successful elsewhere" along with the details? I can see how
this would work for farmers/land owners who really do not want to let their
land go but for a owner who might be looking to cash out, I do not see what
incentive he would have to participate. Or is this a program where saying no
thank you is not an option?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Craine Kit" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:kcraine@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>kcraine@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:26
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth
Policies Don't Apply to Whitman(ordothey?)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Given that the Palouse has very valuable agricultural soils and
that <BR>> once these are disturbed they lose productivity, perhaps
we should <BR>> protect them by using an approach that has be
successful elsewhere: <BR>> as a community, we buy the development
rights. In other words, we pay <BR>> farmers to keep their land in
production. If, at some point in time, <BR>> the community as a whole
prefers development over agriculture, we can <BR>> sell the rights
and perhaps make a profit on our investment.<BR>> <BR>> Kit
Craine<BR>> <BR>> On Jan 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM, g. crabtree
wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> Dave says:<BR>>><BR>>> "they
(Latah/Whitman co. farmers, presumably) are using their land
<BR>>> (as) a lever to maximize profits as they know best, trying
to <BR>>> protect their futures."<BR>>>
and<BR>>><BR>>> "The ag community needs to break its
monoculturalistic thinking and <BR>>> adopt<BR>>>
sustainability principles."<BR>>><BR>>> Who are we to tell the
owners of "the most valuable resource in the <BR>>> area", the
palouse soil, how and what to think? As land owners I am <BR>>>
certain that they have given the matter more than a little bit of
<BR>>> thought. If what you say is truly what you believe, would I
be <BR>>> correct in assuming that you are acquiring farm land as
it becomes <BR>>> available and putting your "sustainability
principles" into <BR>>> practice? If not, why? If you are, could
you please share with us <BR>>> the details of your experience
and profitability?<BR>>><BR>>> g<BR>>><BR>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>> From: "david sarff" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:davesway@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>davesway@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mattd2107@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
<BR>>> <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:36 AM<BR>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
<BR>>> Whitman(ordothey?)<BR>>><BR>>> > Matt
et.al<BR>>> ><BR>>> > I'm not so sure that it's a Whitman
County vs. City of Moscow <BR>>> fight; It's a<BR>>> >
constituency struggle. What we have are some city folks who want
<BR>>> to live in<BR>>> > one kind of surroundings and they are
surrounded by a pack of <BR>>> farmers who<BR>>> > are
tired of being pressured and wrestling with economic <BR>>>
realities. Looking<BR>>> > out for themselves, they are using their
land a lever to maximize <BR>>> profits as<BR>>> > they
know best, trying to protect their futures.<BR>>> > What I would
prefer is that city retain its agricultural <BR>>> foundations
and<BR>>> > integrate them more fully back into the community. Put
the farmer <BR>>> square in<BR>>> > the middle of the
community. There are some small signs in town, <BR>>> that
this<BR>>> > is trying to happen.<BR>>> > The ag community
needs to break its monoculturalistic thinking <BR>>> and
adopt<BR>>> > sustainability principles.<BR>>> > The Palouse
soil is the most valuable natural resource in the <BR>>> area, if
we<BR>>> > don't work to utilize and enhance this medium, we will all
loose.<BR>>> > Don't pave Paradise.<BR>>> > Dave<BR>>>
><BR>>> >>Tom,<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>What a
great post. I only hope more of these come out in the near <BR>>>
future.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>And cheers to Whitman for not
allowing Moscow to bully them with <BR>>> silly<BR>>>
>>excuses and agendas.<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>>Matt<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>> >>
>From: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> >> >To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> >> >Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth
Policies Don't Apply to <BR>>> Whitman (or<BR>>> >>
>dothey?)<BR>>> >> >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:47:52
-0800<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > >From today's
(January 13, 2007) Moscow-Pullman Daily News -<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >>
>------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> >OUR VIEW: Moscow's growth policies
don't apply to Whitman<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >By
Murf Raquet, for the editorial board<BR>>> >> ><BR>>>
>> >Saturday, January 13, 2007 - Page Updated at 10:20:50
PM<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >Political boundaries on
the Palouse are clear.Moscow city <BR>>> limits extend<BR>>>
>>to<BR>>> >> >the Washington state border as does the
eastern edge of Whitman <BR>>> County.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >Both entities have their own regulations to
follow when it <BR>>> comes to<BR>>> >>
>development. Often those rules are similar in that they
require<BR>>> >>development<BR>>> >> >plans to
undergo sufficient public scrutiny to protect the <BR>>>
environment.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >It's time for
Moscow to recognize that Whitman County is perfectly<BR>>>
>>capable<BR>>> >> >of determining how and what acreage
is developed within it <BR>>> borders.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >Whitman County has all but cleared the way for
the Hawkins <BR>>> Companies of<BR>>> >> >Boise to
develop a 600,000-square-foot retail center along the<BR>>> >>
>Pullman-Moscow corridor. The center would abut the state line
<BR>>> and Moscow.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
>Moscow registered concerns about the effects the development
<BR>>> would have<BR>>> >>on<BR>>> >> >the
aquifers, wetlands and traffic.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
>Those concerns and others were addressed through the Washington
<BR>>> State<BR>>> >> >Environmental Policy Act, an
environmental assessment procedure <BR>>> that is<BR>>>
>>one<BR>>> >> >of the more stringent in the
nation.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >Whitman County had
no legal obligation to consider Moscow's <BR>>> concerns
but<BR>>> >> >did<BR>>> >> >so because of
Moscow's proximity to the development.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>>
>> >That was the right thing to do.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >"Moscow is our very close neighbor," said
Whitman County <BR>>> Prosecutor Denis<BR>>> >>
>Tracy. "We have taken extensive steps to take their concerns
into<BR>>> >> >consideration. If they have any concerns that
are not part of <BR>>> the SEPA<BR>>> >> >review
the county hopes Moscow will pick up the phone and we <BR>>> can
talk<BR>>> >>about<BR>>> >> >their
concerns."<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >Dialogue is a
fine way to resolve problems.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
>Now, Moscow must accept the SEPA conclusion and not drag the
issue<BR>>> >>through<BR>>> >> >the court
system.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >Moscow has every
right to determine growth policy within its <BR>>> city
limits.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >We hope the city
can restrain itself in the future if the urge <BR>>> to
impose<BR>>> >> >its<BR>>> >> >standards
elsewhere pops up again.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
>------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> >My concern is not with what facilities
are built on <BR>>> Washington's side of<BR>>> >>
>the<BR>>> >> >line, but what resources are used by those
resources. As has been<BR>>> >> >discussed<BR>>>
>> >here on Vision 2020, Moscow and Pullman share a common
<BR>>> aquifer. The<BR>>> >> >primary<BR>>>
>> >concern, in relation to the aquifer and facilities built on
<BR>>> either side<BR>>> >>of<BR>>> >> >the
state line, is the "right to use" of that aquifer.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >As discussed by guests Rocky Barker,
environmental reporter (Idaho<BR>>> >> >Statesman), State
Senator Charles Coiner (R-Twin Falls), and Prof.<BR>>>
>>Barbara<BR>>> >> >Cosens, University of Idaho Law
School, when "Mary in Moscow" <BR>>> called in<BR>>>
>>on<BR>>> >> >Thursday's Idaho Public Television's
"Dialogue" program, this <BR>>> decision<BR>>>
>>may<BR>>> >> >not be made locally, but by the US
Supreme Court.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Dialogue_011107_01.mp3<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> >Thoughts?<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >Tom Hansen<BR>>> >> >Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >"The Pessimist
complains about the wind, the Optimist expects <BR>>> it
to<BR>>> >>change<BR>>> >> >and the REALIST adjusts
his sails."<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >-
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