[Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply toWhitman(ordothey?)
Kai Eiselein, editor
editor at lataheagle.com
Mon Jan 15 11:19:47 PST 2007
Dave said "The ag community needs to break its monoculturalistic thinking
and adopt sustainability principles."
Ummmm, Dave, many of the farms in this area have been in production and
passed down through 3 generations at this point. That's about 100 years of
sustainability. There is a saying that farmers have, "Take care of the
ground and it'll take care of you."
Please name any other family owned businesses that have been here that long.
And please tell us how much time you've spent on a farm or other ag
operation.
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:54 AM
To: Craine Kit; Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply
toWhitman(ordothey?)
What would be the incentive for the property owner to allow his land to be
tied up in this manner? How is a number/value arrived at for the development
rights? Can you provide an example of where this has been "successful
elsewhere" along with the details? I can see how this would work for
farmers/land owners who really do not want to let their land go but for a
owner who might be looking to cash out, I do not see what incentive he would
have to participate. Or is this a program where saying no thank you is not
an option?
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craine Kit" <kcraine at verizon.net>
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
Whitman(ordothey?)
> Given that the Palouse has very valuable agricultural soils and that
> once these are disturbed they lose productivity, perhaps we should
> protect them by using an approach that has be successful elsewhere:
> as a community, we buy the development rights. In other words, we pay
> farmers to keep their land in production. If, at some point in time,
> the community as a whole prefers development over agriculture, we can
> sell the rights and perhaps make a profit on our investment.
>
> Kit Craine
>
> On Jan 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM, g. crabtree wrote:
>
>> Dave says:
>>
>> "they (Latah/Whitman co. farmers, presumably) are using their land
>> (as) a lever to maximize profits as they know best, trying to
>> protect their futures."
>> and
>>
>> "The ag community needs to break its monoculturalistic thinking and
>> adopt
>> sustainability principles."
>>
>> Who are we to tell the owners of "the most valuable resource in the
>> area", the palouse soil, how and what to think? As land owners I am
>> certain that they have given the matter more than a little bit of
>> thought. If what you say is truly what you believe, would I be
>> correct in assuming that you are acquiring farm land as it becomes
>> available and putting your "sustainability principles" into
>> practice? If not, why? If you are, could you please share with us
>> the details of your experience and profitability?
>>
>> g
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>
>> To: <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>;
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
>> Whitman(ordothey?)
>>
>> > Matt et.al
>> >
>> > I'm not so sure that it's a Whitman County vs. City of Moscow
>> fight; It's a
>> > constituency struggle. What we have are some city folks who want
>> to live in
>> > one kind of surroundings and they are surrounded by a pack of
>> farmers who
>> > are tired of being pressured and wrestling with economic
>> realities. Looking
>> > out for themselves, they are using their land a lever to maximize
>> profits as
>> > they know best, trying to protect their futures.
>> > What I would prefer is that city retain its agricultural
>> foundations and
>> > integrate them more fully back into the community. Put the farmer
>> square in
>> > the middle of the community. There are some small signs in town,
>> that this
>> > is trying to happen.
>> > The ag community needs to break its monoculturalistic thinking
>> and adopt
>> > sustainability principles.
>> > The Palouse soil is the most valuable natural resource in the
>> area, if we
>> > don't work to utilize and enhance this medium, we will all loose.
>> > Don't pave Paradise.
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >>Tom,
>> >>
>> >>What a great post. I only hope more of these come out in the near
>> future.
>> >>
>> >>And cheers to Whitman for not allowing Moscow to bully them with
>> silly
>> >>excuses and agendas.
>> >>
>> >>Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> >> >To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> >Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
>> Whitman (or
>> >> >dothey?)
>> >> >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:47:52 -0800
>> >> >
>> >> > >From today's (January 13, 2007) Moscow-Pullman Daily News -
>> >> >
>> >> >------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> >OUR VIEW: Moscow's growth policies don't apply to Whitman
>> >> >
>> >> >By Murf Raquet, for the editorial board
>> >> >
>> >> >Saturday, January 13, 2007 - Page Updated at 10:20:50 PM
>> >> >
>> >> >Political boundaries on the Palouse are clear.Moscow city
>> limits extend
>> >>to
>> >> >the Washington state border as does the eastern edge of Whitman
>> County.
>> >> >
>> >> >Both entities have their own regulations to follow when it
>> comes to
>> >> >development. Often those rules are similar in that they require
>> >>development
>> >> >plans to undergo sufficient public scrutiny to protect the
>> environment.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's time for Moscow to recognize that Whitman County is perfectly
>> >>capable
>> >> >of determining how and what acreage is developed within it
>> borders.
>> >> >
>> >> >Whitman County has all but cleared the way for the Hawkins
>> Companies of
>> >> >Boise to develop a 600,000-square-foot retail center along the
>> >> >Pullman-Moscow corridor. The center would abut the state line
>> and Moscow.
>> >> >
>> >> >Moscow registered concerns about the effects the development
>> would have
>> >>on
>> >> >the aquifers, wetlands and traffic.
>> >> >
>> >> >Those concerns and others were addressed through the Washington
>> State
>> >> >Environmental Policy Act, an environmental assessment procedure
>> that is
>> >>one
>> >> >of the more stringent in the nation.
>> >> >
>> >> >Whitman County had no legal obligation to consider Moscow's
>> concerns but
>> >> >did
>> >> >so because of Moscow's proximity to the development.
>> >> >
>> >> >That was the right thing to do.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Moscow is our very close neighbor," said Whitman County
>> Prosecutor Denis
>> >> >Tracy. "We have taken extensive steps to take their concerns into
>> >> >consideration. If they have any concerns that are not part of
>> the SEPA
>> >> >review the county hopes Moscow will pick up the phone and we
>> can talk
>> >>about
>> >> >their concerns."
>> >> >
>> >> >Dialogue is a fine way to resolve problems.
>> >> >
>> >> >Now, Moscow must accept the SEPA conclusion and not drag the issue
>> >>through
>> >> >the court system.
>> >> >
>> >> >Moscow has every right to determine growth policy within its
>> city limits.
>> >> >
>> >> >We hope the city can restrain itself in the future if the urge
>> to impose
>> >> >its
>> >> >standards elsewhere pops up again.
>> >> >
>> >> >------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> >My concern is not with what facilities are built on
>> Washington's side of
>> >> >the
>> >> >line, but what resources are used by those resources. As has been
>> >> >discussed
>> >> >here on Vision 2020, Moscow and Pullman share a common
>> aquifer. The
>> >> >primary
>> >> >concern, in relation to the aquifer and facilities built on
>> either side
>> >>of
>> >> >the state line, is the "right to use" of that aquifer.
>> >> >
>> >> >As discussed by guests Rocky Barker, environmental reporter (Idaho
>> >> >Statesman), State Senator Charles Coiner (R-Twin Falls), and Prof.
>> >>Barbara
>> >> >Cosens, University of Idaho Law School, when "Mary in Moscow"
>> called in
>> >>on
>> >> >Thursday's Idaho Public Television's "Dialogue" program, this
>> decision
>> >>may
>> >> >not be made locally, but by the US Supreme Court.
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Dialogue_011107_01.mp3
>> >> >
>> >> >Thoughts?
>> >> >
>> >> >Tom Hansen
>> >> >Moscow, Idaho
>> >> >
>> >> >"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
>> it to
>> >>change
>> >> >and the REALIST adjusts his sails."
>> >> >
>> >> >- Unknown
>> >> >
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