[Vision2020] Go: Re: new topic: games

Sun Jan 7 18:28:52 PST 2007

keely et. al.

http://gobase.org

The Blokus board does look similar to a Go board, from what I can gather,
but with 21 lines per side (I guess, to form 400 squares, or did I figure
this wrong?), vs. Go's 19, with tradition mandating a slightly longer than
wide board for Go, avoiding true squares.  Strategy is, I suppose, maybe, in
a very general way, similar in that "territory" is seized, but in just about
every other way the games are very different.

There are so many many games in the world...I like the ancient history of
Go, the almost mystical multi-millenia old cultural tradition, coupled with
the fact the rules are so simple, yet the game is at least as demanding in
complexity as other very demanding games.

I also find it amusing, fascinating and enjoyable that such an ancient game
stymies computers!

Ted Moffett

On 1/8/07, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Ted,
>
> Please tell the ancient mystics I'm sorry.  You see, only someone as
> limited
> in spatial cognition as I could possibly link Blokus with Go.  It was the
> squarish board made up of littler squares, you see, that got me.  That and
> the little token thingies, which I think is not how Go-ites refer to the
> stones.  Thankfully, I avoided comparing Go with Pente.  I made that
> mistake
> only once and barely lived to regret it.
>
> I have a beautiful old 4-track cribbage board with brass pegs, as well as
> the Hodgins' $6.95 special training board, but the last person who tried
> to
> teach me the game ran screaming into the woods in sobbing frustration.  I
> believe Charles is still wandering about the forest north of Princeton,
> regretting to the very core of his being the day that he said, "Sure, I'll
> teach you!"  It's sad to see the devastation we humans can unintentionally
> wreak on those around us.
>
> And Chas, I agree -- Yahtzee is an exercise in masochism, which reminds me
> of a painfully funny, painfully true story from my college days:
>
> My roommate, Christine, was dating a real toad named Todd, who had the
> looks
> and personality of a strawful of milk and yet managed to make her life a
> living heck with his petulance, jealousy, and immaturity.  One day,
> perhaps
> after a few drinks, my other roomie and I asked her if she was just a
> masochist or something.  Chris answered,
>
> "No way, you guys!  My family's been Catholic for generations!"
>
> Sigh.
>
> Thanks for the recommendations --
>
> keely
>
>
> From: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
> To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] new topic: games
> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 00:21:42 +0000
>
> keely et. al.
>
> Do not arouse the ancient mystics wrath!
>
> Blokus is very different than Go!  Blokus suits families better, and
> allows
> brain teasing options, within the rather flexible ways the game can be
> played, but Go reaches into the highest levels of human cognition in a
> board
> game.
>
> Go is arguably the most incredible board game in history, perhaps dating
> back 4000 years!  No computer program yet can come close to beating the
> best
> Go players.  It is astonishing for the incredible complexity that develops
> out of the disarming simplicity of the rules, and highlights the functions
> of human intelligence that those darn computers cannot yet best us at.
> There was a Go club on the Palouse that once met regularly at the home of
> a
> WSU computer scientist.  The game is very big in China, where it was
> supposedly invented at least 3000 years ago, and in Japan and Korea.
> Sometimes a very good Go player has visited the Palouse from these
> nations,
> associated with WSU or the U of I.
>
> Chess is a plodding mechanical limited predictable game in comparison with
> Go, which is why computers are so very good at Chess, and stymied by Go:
>
> http://www.game/club.com/gohis/go.htm#FundamentalRule
>
> http://gobase.org
>
> Only two people can play Go.  This is not the sort of family game that
> Blokus can be, with four different colored pieces for four players.  Go
> has
> only white and black stones, all the same kind, except for the color.  Go
> stones are placed on intersections of lines on a board with 19 X 19
> rectangular placed lines (a perfect square is avoided for aesthetic or
> other
> mysterious reasons), while Blokus has 5 different sized pieces for each
> player.  Go has no restrictions on where the stones may be placed when the
> game starts or at any other time, except for the KO rule (same board
> position not allowed twice in a row to prevent infinite capture), and
> placing stones into surrounded intersections (suicide), while Blokus
> mandates starting corners for each player.  In Go stones are captured by
> being surrounded, while if I have this correct, Blokus rules do not allow
> capture of pieces.
>
> Go has a very clever handicap system achieved by placing stones on the
> board
> at the start of the game in predetermined positions, the number of stones
> given dependent on the relative skill of the players.  This can allow for
> a
> competitive game between players of very different skill levels.
>
> I've spent many hours studying and playing Go... I recommend the game to
> everyone, but I guess it's not the best family game given only two can
> play.
>
> Ted Moffett
>
>
>
> On 1/7/07, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >I took a break from being screechy, gnarled, smug and shrill by playing a
> >new board game this afternoon with Jeff and the boys -- Blokus, which we
> >bought at Hodgins as our "family gift" for Christmas.  It's an
> >award-winning, Mensa-endorsed game similar to dominoes and Go, I
> think.  I
> >have the spatial ability of a lemur, and yet I'm able to learn this
> >geometric, block-placing game easily, and I've won twice now.  So, my New
> >Year's Family Board Game recommendations are:
> >
> >1. Blokus
> >2. Backgammon
> >3. Pente
> >4.  Mancala
> >5.  Yahtzee
> >
> >I am, without question, the world's worst chess player; I taught both of
> >my
> >sons when they were five and they've been beating me since they were six.
> >In addition, I'm dying to learn how to play cribbage, but I don't know
> how
> >and the online and in-print instructions are too confusing.  Still, on a
> >dreary, sloppy winter's day, it's great to hang out with the guys, turn
> >off
> >all electronica, and play a nice, testosterone-charged board game
> together
> >(with my husband and two teenage boys, everything is
> >testosterone-charged!).
> >   Any other recommendations from the Visionaires in my life?
> >
> >keely
> >
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