[Vision2020] Tony's logic and soldier support

[Tom Hansen]

My suggestion:  Accept ToeKnee's mumblings for what they are . . . and don't
forget to flush.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used
up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"


-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:11 PM
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tony's logic and soldier support

Keely,

The next time Tony offers a well-argued post will be the first time.  I note

with some amazement his recent protests to ad hominum attacks.  Perhaps 
Irony Inc. has chosen him as a spokesman. Apparently he opposes what he 
calls ad hominum attacks on him; the rest of the time he embraces them.

Since he won't go fight there himself, I'd like to see him offer a 
thoughtful defense of the Iraq war.  I look forward to reading a defense of 
our privatization of Iraq's oil, and the building of long-term bases.  I'd 
like to see him coherently explain the different rationales offered for the 
war, and defend them.

That would be asking too much.  As offal predictably slides down a sewer 
line, so will the Tiger holler that he doesn't have to explain anything to 
anyone.  Like Biff Tannen he'll bluster around, yelling in our faces and 
like the neighborhood bully will challenge others to fight; after all, he's 
quite a man.  We know, he tells us every five minutes.

What he won't do is say something meaningful.  Nor will he substantiate any 
of his claims.

Sunil


>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: tonytime at clearwire.net, privatejf32 at hotmail.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Tony's logic and soldier support
>Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:13:19 -0800
>
>Tony's attempt at logic, below, is deeply flawed.
>
>He compares civilian support for law enforcement and the condemnation cops 
>could theoretically heap on folks for being too "cowardly" to serve on the 
>police force with vets' dismissal of non-veterans who crow loudly about the

>righteousness of wars they don't serve in.  It's a false comparison, 
>though.  Very few people have any reservations about the establishment and 
>duties  of police, firefighters, and other law enforcement/protection 
>personnel.  It's a given that in any community, some will be cops, some 
>will be bakers, some will write for newspapers, a few will work in 
>factories, and others will care for kids full time.  The presence of law 
>enforcement is commonly seen as a universal good, but that good would be a 
>promised unfulfilled if everyone decided to show their support of it by 
>joining the force.
>
>A war, on the other hand, is not seen by all as a universal good, 
>particularly the US war in Iraq.  Further, it is indisputably more harmful 
>to psyche and to body to serve on the front lines; it is infinitely safer 
>to advocate for war with full vigor while not serving in capacities that 
>not only invite great and ever-present danger, but also require a surplus 
>of willing participants.  Police forces generally require set numbers of 
>armed personnel.  War seems to require steady numbers of willing soldiers 
>to enable further conquest and replenish the numbers of those lost in 
>combat, and Chuck Kovis' point that it's easy to rally for war by 
>"supporting the troops" while avoiding combat is an important one.
>
>I don't know Chuck Kovis, but hope someday to meet him.  I don't know Tony,

>either, and if the pleasure were indefinitely postponed, I'd be OK with 
>that.  Nonetheless, arguing that Chuck's point is formed from bitterness 
>and cynicism and not from a skepticism well-earned does absolutely no 
>justice to whatever point he wishes to make.
>
>keely
>
>


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