[Vision2020] Doug Farris: Sad News

Tony tonytime at clearwire.net
Fri Jan 5 08:36:35 PST 2007 

Wayne, as far as the suggestions on this site that you get ahold of 
yourself, I would just suggest that you disregard them.  We all say things 
from time to time that others might regard as intemperate.  So what?  As 
long as we are not directly threatening or attempting to intimidate them, we 
should be allowed to exercise our first amendment rights without being 
subject to the approval of others.  I have generally disagreed with your 
politics as expressed here, but certainly stand up for your right to freely 
express your thoughts in such a manner as you personally deem fit in order 
to be persuasive.

As for the P.H.D., don't get all hung up on that pretentious bull***t. 
Folks with all those self important accolades after their name are not 
necessarily any more astute or honorable than any of the rest of us.

Peace,   -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doug Farris: Sad News


> Andreas writes: "You've written a piece of vaguely threatening, juvenile
> nonsense and expect anybody to respond to it as though you've written a
> scholarly article?"
>
> 1.    Where is the threat and whom have I threatened?
> 2.    Where is there any claim or pretense that the post claimed to be
> scholarly?
> 3.    Of all the V 2020 posts, how many are not scholarly?  I don't 
> remember
> you condemning any of those that weren't for such a deficiency.
>
> Andreas further writes: "You crossed a line. A fairly serious one. 
> Gloating
> about someone's fictionalized death is, frankly, pretty bizarre
> behavior,..."
>
> Not that I would even begin to compare myself for a second in quality of
> output to Jonathan Swift, but:
> http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/modest.html
>
> Many parodies are bizarre/outrageous/etc.  That is why the term "parody" 
> is
> applied.  Just as Swift did not intend or wish for children to be eaten by
> their parents in the above referenced work, I do not wish for Farris to be
> eaten by a wolf on Moscow Mountain and then be eventually transformed into
> toadstools and diesel fuel.  I should hope that most rational people 
> reading
> an obvious parody would consider that as a given, but then again there 
> were
> a few that took Swift's "modest proposal" as a serious advocacy.
>
> Andreas, obviously the parody offended your taste and expectations.  You 
> are
> free to express your opinions thereupon but ultimately your taste and
> expectation issues in this matter are issues to deal with within yourself.
> You advise: "Seriously. Calm down."  Such advice might be more fruitfully
> reflexively applied.
>
> For the record, your first post claimed that I held a Ph.D.  Most people 
> on
> V 2020 know this to be false, but a question received motivates me to note
> that I have never made such a claim since such a claim would not be true.
>
>
> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
> To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doug Farris: Sad News
>
>
>> Wayne --
>>
>> You've written a piece of vaguely threatening, juvenile nonsense and
>> expect anybody to respond to it as though you've written a scholarly
>> article? You crossed a line. A fairly serious one. Gloating about
>> someone's fictionalized death is, frankly, pretty bizarre behavior,
>> not that, frankly, you haven't been prone to that since you started
>> posting repetitive, multi-coloured screeds about the KKKASH KKKULT.
>>
>> Seriously. Calm down.
>>
>> -- ACS
>>
>> On 1/4/07, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you Gary for providing cogent evidence that outrageous parody is
>>> still
>>> an effective device for directing and continuing attention.  As to the
>>> main
>>> message of the parody found at the end, time will tell which of our
>>> predictive outlooks is closer to reality.
>>>
>>> However, I noticed two interesting omissions from your post:
>>>
>>> 1.    You fail to criticize your ideologue-mate Farris for his
>>> scatological
>>> references which have occurred at least twice, but have remarked upon
>>> mine
>>> in the past no matter how direct, indirect, or oblique.
>>>
>>> 2.    You have yet to respond with an opinion about Greg Dickison's
>>> chilling
>>> presentation of Christ Church dicta referred to in the parody.  When it
>>> was
>>> first presented to you V 2020, you indicated that you might express an
>>> opinion after you made some inquires.  Have you made those inquires? 
>>> Are
>>> you going to give us the benefit of your opinion thereupon?  Or is a
>>> direct
>>> threat to most of the world's population a matter too trivial for your
>>> attention?
>>>
>>>
>>> You are to be complimented, however, that you, unlike apparently some
>>> others, recognized the post you beleaguer as parody.  Parody is 
>>> sometimes
>>> sharp, scandalous, profane, and skewering and when so certainly so not 
>>> to
>>> everyone's taste.  [For a legal opinion and an interesting discussion of
>>> parody See Hustler Magazine, Inc. et al. v. Jerry Falwell  485 U.S. 46
>>> (1988) http://laws.findlaw.com/us/485/46.html, an United States Supreme
>>> Court case.]
>>>
>>> Since the parody at issue is part of a long running exchange on Vision
>>> 2020,
>>> an exchange which includes much vitriol on all sides, anyone who would
>>> take
>>> the parody or its title, given the author, as being the literal truth
>>> perhaps needs to reassess their overall interpretive abilities.  Those
>>> offended are certainly entitled to their taste preferences, a matter 
>>> over
>>> which I have no control nor any desire to compel.
>>>
>>> Just so that you don't misunderstand the words above:  I read your's and
>>> other's disapprobation.  However, if you or they await an apology, you
>>> best
>>> expend that time, likely to be of long duration, at your plying your
>>> occupational craft, one at least at which you are quite competent.
>>>
>>>
>>> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>>> deco at moscow.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>>> To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>; "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doug Farris: Sad News
>>>
>>>
>>> > If by "get it" you mean come around to your obsessive and increasingly
>>> > shrill point of view, you're probably right. (barring the unfortunate
>>> > ravages of  presenile dementia) As to understanding the last sentence
>>> > of
>>> > your macabre post, I'm fairly sure that it was the part which most
>>> > folks
>>> > understood the best and objected to the most. Crackpot Cassandra and
>>> > caustically creepy go hand in glove, sir.
>>> >
>>> > g
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>> > To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:54 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doug Farris: Sad News
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> For those that pay closer attention when reading and are familiar 
>>> >> with
>>> >> the
>>> >> literary device of indirect reference:
>>> >>
>>> >> There is a warning in the post, unpopular with some, below.  It is a
>>> >> warning
>>> >> about a real threat that exists, but that threat does not come from 
>>> >> or
>>> >> refer
>>> >> to me in any way.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> If you still do not understand the last sentence of the post at 
>>> >> issue,
>>> >> here
>>> >> are two hints:
>>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh
>>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown
>>> >>
>>> >> If you still don't get it, as I suspect Gary Crabtree and Kerry 
>>> >> Becker
>>> >> never
>>> >> will, I can repost Greg Dickison's chilling Christ Church dicta
>>> >> published
>>> >> in
>>> >> Credenda Agenda under the urgings of which almost all the world's
>>> >> population
>>> >> would be put to death.
>>> >>
>>> >> W.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>> >> Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:16 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doug Farris: Sad News
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Wayne --
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Seriously, dude. You've got a Ph.D. I thought you were maybe a 
>>> >>> little
>>> >>> more mature than this. Not to mention the fact that it's vaguely
>>> >>> threatening.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -- ACS
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 1/3/07, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Some very sad news to report about Doug Farris:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> His brain surgery, unfortunately, was not a success.  In fact, it
>>> >>>> left
>>> >>>> poor
>>> >>>> Farris even more incapacitated.  While witlessly wandering on 
>>> >>>> Moscow
>>> >>>> Mountain one evening, Doug met a tragic fate symbolized by:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://users.moscow.com/waf/images/V%202000/Doug%20Farris%20Ingested%20%20R.I.P.jpg
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> One positive note, however, is that through the normal processes of
>>> >>>> nature,
>>> >>>> parts of Farris were egested and distributed by his ingestor. 
>>> >>>> Thus,
>>> >>>> parts
>>> >>>> of Farris became part of:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://users.moscow.com/waf/images/V%202000/Parts%20of%20Doug%20Farris%20Recycled.jpg
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Those few scant remains that were recovered by a search party were
>>> >>>> shipped
>>> >>>> and processed (becoming diesel fuel) at:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://users.moscow.com/waf/images/V%202000/Rendering%20Plant.jpg
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A lesson to be learned from this dreadful incident, especially for
>>> >>>> members
>>> >>>> of the cult which he lovingly but mindlessly belonged:  The ovine
>>> >>>> ought,
>>> >>>> at
>>> >>>> all times, be extremely wary of self-absorbed, proficient, stealthy
>>> >>>> predators without conscience, else they suffer a fate symbolically
>>> >>>> not
>>> >>>> unlike the naive, puerile Farris (R.I.P).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>>> >>>> deco at moscow.com
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